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Am I a bad Support?

ShoujoFeline·12/31/2014, 12:17:28 AM·2 votes·1,058 views

Recently I have been trying to master playing all the lanes (besides Jungle & Mid cause I have no good champions for those roles), and I decided to play as to support a . Lulu is my main support champion. This Vayne I was supporting kept telling me that I was a suckie Support and it was kinda mean. so I decided to make a list of all the stuff I do as a Support, and I was hopeing that someone could give me some advice on what I could improve on. Thank you :(

P.S. I play all the time as support, I play as ADC (she has become super popular for some reason), and I play for my top. I also got a and for top but I never use them, therefor I am super rusty with them.

Things I do as Support that Might be Wrong: . Dont buy wards first, I buy health pots . Summoner spells = ( I run out of Mana fast) . I hit all the minons at least once for my ADC . I dont stand in bushes for to long . I try to block enemy's from getting to minions while my ADC farms, by bluffing attacking them (pretending Im going towards them to attack them, I keep them at their terrt for as long as possible) .My normal build = ( , ,, , )(NOT IN THIS ORDER) . if my ADC cant get a kill in time I get it for him (kinda stealing) :( . I sacrifice my life if it means I can take out a terrt

Would post a picture of my runes but I don't feel like it. the above was a short list of things I might be doing wrong while Supporting. I win more often then I lose with the way I play, and when I do lose its because someone on my team feeds. an example of this would be in my last game with the jerk Vayne, we had a Darius top who fed 10 TIMES!! within the first 17 minutes of the game. We lost. Im sorry if I sound Arrogant, I just make "not feeding" my top priority. :(

6 Comments

Arctic Wolf12/31/2014, 12:55:03 AM2 votes

The Vayne was kind of a jerk to be making fun of you. Helping/suggesting different ways would have been better. I'll try to hit on all of your topics, but as I'm only gold I, anyone who has a better understanding please feel free to correct me:

wards vs health pots

The old jungle was fairly easy to clear for the popular champions, meaning they would hit level 3 rather easily and have enough HP left for a quick gank. This led to supports commonly bringing a vision ward so that they didn't only have to rely on coordinating trinkets with their ADC. While you may still see this today in competitive/duo queues where there is a planned invade, having 4 pots to be able to stay in lane has become more standard. This is because the junglers only start off with 2 health pots now due to gold changes, and most cannot sustain enough to gank early. Therefore being able to stay in lane and get experience becomes the primary focus, and if you can out sustain your lane opponents in trades you should end up winning lane.

Summoners

On the same idea of trying to out sustain your lane opponents to have a bigger CS/EXP advantage, you don't want to be taking a summoner spell which has little to no combat use. If your lane opponents are running some combination of Heal, Exhaust, and Ignite, this puts you at a serious disadvantage should you ever try to all-in for the kill, or be all-inned yourself. With the meta currently shifting away from hypercarry champions (Trist, Vayne) to more caster ADC's like Corki, Graves, and Ezreal, Ignite is generally the summoner of choice as these champions generally deal too much upfront burst damage that exhaust doesn't mitigate it. That being said, if you are confident you can win lane, Exhaust is still a great choice as it can be popped on anyone who is wrecking your team in the lategame teamfights.

Laning as a Support

Personally, I think it depends on what your ADC is comfortable with, but there are things you should be paying attention to. When you say you hit the minions once for your ADC, I hope you mean when they are under turret you hit them once to allow your adc to get the cs. If it's out in the middle of the lane, your ADC may prefer you not to hit them at all because this can mess up their plans for last-hitting as well as put them at a disadvantage if the lane pushes at an inopportune time.

Harassing your lane opponents is always a good idea, however running out of mana is bad. Rather than take Clairity, try using autoattack harass. Especially early levels when armor values are low, good auto attack harass can do far more damage than spell damage. Save your spells for when you are engaged upon to keep the trades in your favor. If you are playing as Lulu, this means auto-attacking and using your glitterlance to slow your enemies and put them out of range as they chase you, or even polymorphing them in a 1v1 since they'll be doing no damage in cupcake form.

Standing in Bushes depends on the support. An unseen Thresh/Blitzcrank generally poses far more risk laning against than an easily visible one, however even as lulu you hold decent respect hidden in a bush. As long as the bush isn't warded, when you are guaranteed the first damages in trades, such as starting them from fog of war, you generally stand a much better chance in winning the trades. But to have lane presence you will sometimes need to come out to scare your enemies. I tend to think of it like this: If I run at my enemies and they try to retreat, I'm better off out of the bush and just hiding for a few seconds at a time. If I run at my enemies and they immediately want to trade damage, I'm better off spending more time in the bush, coming out to harass as needed.

Support builds

The build you listed is fine, if you were a solo-lane Lulu where you were actually being funneled the gold. Due to supports not getting CS, the power spike associated with these items is too far delayed for Lulu to make much of an impact. One of the big benefits to support is being able to control vision around objectives. Sightstone is good, but after listening to Krepo's reasoning, I generally prefer to rush Mobility boots first and keep buying wards until I finish my sightstone afterwards. The explanation won't fit here due to character limits, but I highly recommend watching this video he has talking about supports/vision:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4EfueGH7IY&feature=youtu.be

As for other items, your goal as support is to either engage on the enemy or peel for your carries (depending on who you are playing). As Lulu, with her kit of shielding and slows, you generally want to act as peel for your carries. Recommended core items are item 3222 item 3190 as this will provided extra resistances, shielding, and a cleanse from CC for a single carry. Aura items are solid, but builds should be tailored to the situation you are in. If you're against an all-AD team, you might forego in place of item 3143 or item 3110

Hope this helps!

Vampy3k12/31/2014, 12:27:40 AM1 votes

Soo.. I also main support, and I'm not ranked or anything like that.. but here's my 2 cents.

Warding trinket is fine to start. I get wards on my first back usually, item 2049 is pretty cheap. Getting a item 2043 to start is also helpful, and it's only 100 gold so depending on your starting item set you may be able to able to afford it. You don't want to hit all minions at least once, you only want to hit minions above 50%. I would also not target whoever your ADC is targeting, as you'll just end up stepping on each other's toes. And lastly.. it doesn't look like you have a passive gold item in there, which you really want on any support. item 3401 item 3069 or item 3092 . That will get you to your full build faster.

Whatever the case, there's never a reason for someone to be mean or rude. Constructive criticism is always more helpful than someone being a jerk. Don't let a bad experience get you down! :)

Jixx12/31/2014, 12:40:34 AM1 votes

If you take the AP support item you won't run out of mana easily, especially if you replace your glyph runes for mana regen for very heavy poke.

item 3303 item 2010 item 3340 item 2004 To keep you safe and topped off.

summoner 4 summoner 3 summoner 7 summoner 14 Are good support summoners spells now that we have the mana problem knocked out of the way.

Thresh Annie Karma Are some champions that you might like playing as since you play Lulu and are also good for supporting most any ADC.

item 2049 item 3222 item 3001 item 3105 item 3165 item 3117 item 3158 item 1031 item 3341 item 3301 item 3302 These are the best basic items for supporting, take your picks as they'll help you with your armor/MR/Mana and helping your ADC.

And personally, I hate supporting any and EVERY Vayne. I hate supporting Vayne's playstyle, so much.

I would suggest to NOT attack minions unless you have relic shield build path or your ADC is going B, coming back or you need to push the wave fast.

:)

CoolKnightST12/31/2014, 1:19:23 AM1 votes

Here's are some tips that might help:

Start with & potions (their are offcourse different more risky starts but on your level. Just stick will this and you will do fine.
The recommand support pick till you reach the plat devision are: . I really don't recommand you to go for picks like . It are good support but their to skill intensive for someone from your level. Until play you really don't have to master them. To give a example with Thresh: Zoning, Latern, Reversed Flay, Hook, Auto Attacks, Windup Auto, situations when to ult. But now all these things together. Their are just to many things you have to focus on when playing him. This focus will drop your guard on your map awarenes that your still learning.
Get arround the 10 minute timer. It's a good habit to have if you are not sure when you need to get boots.
When you get a can be pretty situational. Just make sure you have one on the moment all front turrets are down but in most cases you get it sooner. Just make sure that you provide vision with but only when it's worth tho.
The most popular carry oriënted supports in this game are
Summoner Spells use , ,

Lulu can be a pretty solid support. But she's like you known nerfed pretty hard. It's really difficult for these Lulu mains to play their role effectively. What I would do to solve your mana problems on Lulu is to go item 3092 item 2045 item 3117 item 3174 . You will still have mana problems. You just will have to learn how to use your mana correctly. Focus your poke on the adc. If you keep missing. Just be carefull when you throw it.

Situational items on Lulu are: item 3190 item 3001 item 3157 item 3143 item 3075 item 3504

What you also could try is replacing item 3174 with item 3110 if you are in the need of armor.

ArtoriasOfAbyss12/31/2014, 4:57:45 AM1 votes

i main Lulu too and let me tell u when i play solo Q i go full AP, i also start with item 3303 it works rly good with lulu my core build is item 2045 item 3092 item 3275 and i finish my build with item 3089 item 3157 and item 3026 to stay alive if u having mana problems u should look closer at the masteries page to get the most mana reng possible, i also always take summoner 3 summoner 4 but this is only my build on solo Q maybe u can come up with a better build the more experience u get ;)

PD: i also make not feeding my TOP priority and nah u are not a bad support some times we get those players who blame everything but themselves