Jungle main needs early level advice

SirOrange921·Jul 12, 2016·1 votes·1,422 views

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I generally find I briefly lag behind other junglers in a level. Often hitting 6 after them. Perhaps my issue is I often get Gromp, Blue, then heal on Skuttle which takes longer than I feel the experience warrants. However, when I do take that route, my general power play is to steal the enemy team red. Almost always successfully. If they likely started red, and I forego Skuttle and head to wolves I still find I somehow lag behind. I do try to gank at level 3, almost always. Any suggestiongs? Any information you need to help, just ask.

Thanks,

SirOrange

12 Comments

DemonBoneJanglesJul 12, 20161 votes

it really depends on the champion you play, you can have a good clear time and still be behind, or you can have great sustain and clear slower. I think your main issue isn't your pathing, its your possible use of summoners and items. alittle more info besides your jungle path is needed to help you, things include your starting items (along with quantity in the case of starting pots) your preferred champions (top 3 at least), your normal ganking level (where you either drive the enemy back or secure a kill without dieing or getting below 25% hp) these things will let anyone else provide more useful information and help with the road to 6.

however your are slightly more advanced than myself because I have a hard time counter jungleing and normally only do so when I see a clear advantage against my jungle opponent but ill be more than glad to share any knowledge I can with you

DreadlocksJul 12, 20161 votes

There are generally 2 ways to hit lvl 6 quickly.

Farm..Farm and Farm, thats your jungle and covering waves for your lanes (usually mid in my experience since they tend to back the most frequently given how close the turret and fountain are.
Farm hard, but gank 1 or 2 times, and get a kill out of it. This is generally the route i go for, i prioritize farming but if i can run into a lane and grab a kill, it generally spikes my XP pretty hard.

If you are getting lvl 6 between 6-7:30 you're doing fine.. anything later than that and you're probably doing something inefficient.

SirOrange921Jul 20, 20161 votes

This time example has helped a lot. I have been hanging back a bit more from ganks unless someone is in serious trouble or if the enemy team is well over extended and my team is capable of following through (health, mana, summs). This allows a little more farming with a little more chance of a kill if I do gank (felt like I was babysitting most lanes anyways). Also, starting red side- although I hate having red for a shorter time after level 3- has really helped me hit 6 ~ the 7 minute mark.

DreadlocksJul 20, 20161 votes

Yeah lower elos expect u to gank nonstop like Lee sin but carry hard like a master yi... do what feels smooth to you. If u start playing how everyone else wants u to play ur never going to grow as a jungler.

RageQ2Jul 12, 20161 votes

Generally the idea is that you should start at red with any jungler if you know how to conserve mana. It should go Krugs > Red > Gromp > recall or stay based on the champs sustain > Blue > Ganks. I use this and it generally puts me in a spot where I have double buffs and can spam some mana while still keeping ahead of my jungler. This only works for some of the more dps or tankier champs who can clear without much problems, unlike Yi. On the other hand, its not that getting behind is a big problem, if you notice that your enemy jungler has lvl 6 before you, check the leader boards. If he has more cs than that means you should focus on farming the jungle more. To a certain point you should be trying to stay equal if your opposing jungler is very aggressive (Rengar, Lee, etc). Your goal before anything else is shutting down your enemy jungler in my opinion. Hope this helps a bit.

DediguiseJul 13, 20161 votes

After reviewing your recent games, there are a couple things I noticed.

You almost always run on champions ranging from to . Ghost is useful and even op on certain champions. But is strictly better ion most situations, especially on those two champs.
Sometimes it's better to start red side for the krugs stun or the smite heal off of red. The healthiest possible jungle path is to go krugs then chickens then red and to use you 2nd smite on red. This is good if you are planning on ganking immediately at lvl 3 and/or are afraid of being lvl 2 invaded.

SirOrange921Jul 20, 20161 votes

Thanks for this. I have found that helps a lot with jungle clear, and feel capable of hitting 6 somewhere around the 7 minute mark. I have to readjust the way I time red buff for ganks but this seems to be the way to go for a faster 6. I like to use ghost for the dramatically less cooldown, although I miss the hell out of flash at least once a game. Still not quite sure where I'll end up on it, will likely still use ghost on occasion but perhaps more dependent on the other team. Burning a flash when your team doesn't follow through hurts for a couple minutes longer than burning a ghost.

CerealBoxOfDoomJul 20, 20161 votes

The fact you don't mention what jungler you were playing says a lot about your jungling.

SirOrange921Jul 20, 20161 votes

It does? It's not hard to look it up. I main Volibear, but have been trying to mix a bit more Vi, Udyr, and recently and mostly Skarner in the mix. Also, I run Rammus often if the enemy team has already picked 3 ad champs before my pick.

CerealBoxOfDoomJul 20, 20161 votes

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It does? It's not hard to look it up. I main Volibear, but have been trying to mix a bit more Vi, Udyr, and recently and mostly Skarner in the mix. Also, I run Rammus often if the enemy team has already picked 3 ad champs before my pick.

sure its easy to look up but was it me or you who benefits from being serious about improving your skills if you want to improve your skills.

As rammus you will do a different thing shyvanna and rengar and kindred

As shyv I will literally just skip the small monsters and just red > blue > heal on river bug > invade or gank with no trip back to base and I might skip the heal if your jungler is a big enough wimp. Its easier if I get a leash. But I couldn't do this on sejuani.

Yes, I could do the foot work for you and look up your jungler for you and show you what a hard worker I am and avoid making you feel bad about something seemingly unimportant. But it is important.

The fact you don't mention what jungler you were playing says a lot about your jungling.

This sort of basic thing, along with youtube videos, is most of what this midmain has to offer though. There's also the reasoning behind jungle picks. After nerfs jungle picks tend to be a bit limited aside from when picked for the thing that made them strong in the first place in tournaments. As in they are balanced around tournament performance a lot. Vi for example has a lot of strong combo potential and has recently been built a lot squishier than before.

here's a website you might already know about

http://probuilds.net/champions/details/Vi

but keep in mind this isn't that plat and above stuff its like pro-player or gtfo. But they do tend to keep up with the effective meta trends.

sure, break the meta if you want but you should know what you are breaking so you know the consequences beforehand right?

Also something I figured out is that on tanky junglers and some not so tanky weirder junglers you should always watch the youtube video of pro junglers for efficiency tips or you should do some mathcrafting for each specific champ you want to play in jungle. For example there was a time when sejuani players were leaving jungle with nearly full hp while bad ones were clearing but leaving with half and left scratching their heads wondering why she could never seem to get buffs.

SirOrange921Jul 20, 20161 votes

This has been my greatest change as I have become steadily more successful. I do what's best, not what they necessarily want. I can't tell you how many times I have had an adc force a low adc under their turret and ask for a gank at a low level. I can be completely on the other side of the map but still be a (excuse the language), "shit jungler" if I don't stop the jungle camp I'm on and head straight there.

EndlessSorcererJul 20, 20161 votes

I prioritize farming the jungle between ganks unless since it is a reliable source of gold and experience. While I'll gank lanes whenever I see a good opportunity, I'd rather farm camps rather than attempt to force ganks (since they can backfire horribly when forced) to prevent myself from falling behind.

Even if you aren't ganking lanes, there are many ways you can make your presence felt across the map. Some examples include:

Holding a lane when an ally is dead, based or roaming (to prevent experience from being wasted and deny the enemy laner)
Invading the enemy jungler (stealing their camps, warding their jungle, killing them)
Controlling vision/placing wards, killing wards) around lanes and objectives
Ganking
Counterganking

If you know what you are doing, you have a lot of options available to you.

Quite frankly, you just have to know what the best action to take is if you want to win the game. If you believe it is the best option, there is nothing wrong with just ignoring your laner (which, while not generally the case, can occasionally be the correct decision).

Try to figure out which of your allies can be trusted (i.e. high CS, low deaths, appear to be playing competently) and help them out.