This was probably posted countless times but just had a really bad game, the typical Elo Hell one and just wanted to know if there are people that genuinely deny it's existence? Really curious and really wanna discuss this topic.
Do you believe it is real or not and why?
There is no elo hell. If your good enough, you will get to whatever elo you belong in.
It doesn't. Not every game is winnable, but if you deserve a higher rank you will win more than lose and climb
Elo hell isn't real. If it was then Unranked to Diamond series wouldn't work and elo boosters would be out of a job.
Massive losing streaks are completely possible. I should know, I've been on one the past month. I started off with a 65% win rate in ranked but over the past month or so my win rate has been like 30% (dropping my overall win rate to 48%.) Its not elo hell, its just bad luck. I know that if I keep playing things will even out eventually. People seem to think they'll reach their true elo within 100 games when that's simply not true. There are too many variables for that. However, if you keep playing you will reach the elo you deserve. Just keep swimming, just keep swimming.
I like to break games into 5 groups:
Type 5: 20% of the time the enemy team is way better than your team (this includes games with feeders/trolls on your team.) These games are pretty much automatic losses.
Type 4: 20% of the time the enemy team is, on average, better than your team. In these games the only way you win is if you absolutely hard carry the game (i.e. high cs, high KDA, high kill participation, high number of objectives destroyed.)
Type 3: 20% of the time the teams are evenly matched. Whether or not you win these games is dependent upon whether you play better or worse than the average person at your elo.
Type 2: 20% of the time your team is, on average, better than the enemy team. In these games you just have to play smart and you'll win (i.e. not suicide, flame your team, throw at baron, etc.)
Type 1: 20% of the time your team is way better than the enemy team (this includes games with feeders/troll on the enemy team.) These games are pretty much automatic wins as long as you don't troll/afk.
If you win all of your Type 1 and Type 2 games that puts you automatically at a 40% win rate. Next, if you win the majority of your Type 3 games that will put you above a 50% win rate and you will climb. The reason why so many people have difficulty climbing is they go on tilt after losing a Type 4 or Type 5 game and they carry that anger into subsequent games, play worse than normal, and lose a Type 1, Type 2, or Type 3 game that they could have won had they not been on tilt.
never played ranked, but i've been paired with some very shit teammates before
so yes
Definitely. I'm hovering around a 4.00 KDA on Ashe and Caitlyn, always have the most or second most cs of BOTH teams in my ranked games, push lanes appropriately and usually win lane. Yet here I am, 50% win rate in Bronze 5. Every time I get on a two or three game winning streak I get to have the pleasure of playing my next game with some of the worst players I have ever seen.
I'm not saying I don't belong in Bronze, but how the heck am I supposed to get better from here?
I believe there is a time when all the inexperienced players come out to play/climb.
The player pool is filled with experimental Yasuo jungle players, that off-meta Anivia support, and Mastery level 1 Ziggs adc.
They have no idea what they are doing, the enemy team appears to be twice as competent as yours, and game's just go down the gutter.
if you stay and continue to swim against the current during this time, you will drown into , what's known as, elo hell.
I suggest you just stop trying, play a coop vs ai game or go back to normals and try again another time.
you are only making your mmr worse. Elo hell only exists because you made it so.
in my opinion anyway.
Elo Hell exists if you think it does, and then it only exists in your mind. It's like those miracle healers. If you believe in it then it might work, otherwise it's BS. If that makes sense.
all i had was lower elo do very questionable stuff that made me laugh
It depends on how you define "ELO hell". If you think it's almost impossible to get out of a low ELO, that's BS. Any player 2 tiers about the ELO can climb very quickly.
But if you have, say, silver 1 skills, and are playing at bronze 3 mmr, yeah, games are random enough that it can take a long time to climb. At low ELOs you obviously have more trolls, harder throws, and probably more toxic, on average teammates (since toxicity makes people lose more than they would otherwise, thus they tend to stay at lower mmr all else being equal).
There is none, I get downvoted for saying it, but I was bronze 5 last season but gold to gold eventually by stop thinking I was good and my teammates were bad. My teammates AND me were bad, I never flamed so getting over it was way easier. No way pretty much.
no its not real
but i believe people suck at this game
I think there are things that look like elo hell but really isn't say you have 50 wins and 50 loses and you silver 3 and then you go on a thirty game win streak and hit say G3 and your MMR is plat 5. The game is designed to make it so you have as close to 50% winrate as possible so now your teams will be on average lower elo and the enemy team on average higher elo because the system is expecting you to carry hard enough to make it possible to have 45-55% winrate and since your team has lower elo and the enemy team higher elo you gain more LP per win and lose less LP per loss.
So what happens I believe is that people start seeing that there team is worse and ignoring the fact that they get more LP per win and less LP per loss and then they tilt and start blaming there team and then since YOU are the person on your team that is supposed to make the game 50% winnable for your side. So if you start tilting you can pretty much guarantee that you will lose every game for some time and if you don't untilt you will probably get your MMR back from Plat 5 to whatever elo your at and if you tilt hard enough it's possible to even lose more MMR and get down to like silver MMR again until you untilt.
Also if your gold 3 and deserve gold 1 it will take a few games to bridge the gap because your winrate might only be 55% at gold3 and 50% at gold one so you would have to play quite a few games to make it to gold 1. To put it in perspective a 55% winrate means that you get +1 win every 20 games and if your gaining 20 lp per win and 18 lp per lose you would need like 40 games to get into your gold 2 promos. Ofc you would probably improve during that time so it might take less as you would gradually get more skilled but even if you didn't and it still took 40 games then you lose your promos then your MMR will raise and you might gain 22 LP per win and lose 16 and then you would raise faster again and then you would get 1 free win for your gold 2 promo.
So I believe Elo Hell is an ignorance of how matchmaking works plus a bad attitude both of which you need to truly be in elo hell.
No. I believe in being bad and getting stuck. I'm bad, thus, I'm stuck. However, I have to admit that after reaching a certain rank once, makes it 10x easier getting back to it again.
all elo is elo hell. its true, nothing is really perfect. that's na for you
