Is Pyke an actual support?

Acaim·5/21/2018, 2:16:44 PM·4 votes·3,599 views

So It's bugging me since his announcment.

As much as I might like his design I'm getting upset that he's labeled as a support. Riot on their recent champions was always trying to give them somethng unique- Ornn doesn't have to back, Xayah and Rakan synergy, Kayn can choose a transformation form etc. each of them is suiting their role and making the champion memorable and one of the kind. For me support is about protecting, peeling, sometimes staying behind and dying so your team can run away and so on, and Pyke? he is just an assassin. With a fancy gold share but he doesn't feel as support at all and it's really upsetting because I hoped that we'd get a unique support who FEELS like support, with some new special ability making it one of a kind between supports. Pyke with his ratios and kit can easily be played in jungle or as mid asaassin, still having a good use of his gold share (which is not a bad thing), and labeling him as a supp just because gold share feels forced. Additionally, thinking that now I'd have to wait year or more again and I can't be even sure if then we'll get an actual support makes me sad.

What do You think about that?

edit : I refer to support as they were dessigned for. If You play long enough You should recall the team buildier and how the champs were divided : mage, marksman, assassin, tank/defenders, fighter, support, and it was based on their skill type. Of course mage can fill as support (like brand or annie) and support like lulu can go top and it's fine. But supporting with a champion doesnt make him support (like for example mf is designed as marksman and she was played support but that doesnt make her a support champion). So I expected Pyke (in announcments) to take a place of assassin but intended for botlane, and actual support keep the support term from old team buildier ( for example ivern he is support but he's intendet for a jungle), and it led me to expectations which made me disapponted. So it's more about how he should be announced.

14 Comments

Ralanr5/21/2018, 2:21:44 PM8 votes

He’s more of a playmaking Support. He sacrifices some things supports would have (like direct defensive power to his ADC) and gains different ways to force a fight. It’s kinda like how Brand Support works imo, more about killing the enemy than defending your buddy.

That doesn’t mean Pyke can’t do Support things like peeling. His Q and especially his E are decent tools for peeling targets depending on his position.

He’s definitely weird, but it’s not impossible to see him as a Support.

VvVVvV5/21/2018, 2:42:23 PM2 votes

Hes a new type of support.......but just like every new champ that comes out people are going to play him everywhere. Which is fine by me #breakthemeta

FOR JUSTICE5/21/2018, 3:30:08 PM2 votes

Jungle maybe, but he wouldnt last in mid because of terribad waveclear, so he gets punished Hard for any kind of roam. Same applies for top, but to a lesser extent.

Nyarlathοtep5/21/2018, 3:13:24 PM2 votes

Pyke is supp just as morde is an adc.

Jeddy0175/21/2018, 4:17:33 PM2 votes

Eh, I see Pyke in the same vain as a support Annie Brand Fiddlesticks Lux Veigar Velkoz Zyra .

You know, supports that are less about peeling & protecting (though they can to a degree) & more about poking, damaging & killing the enemy. You know, damage supports aka "Supports".

I see what Riot is doing here. They're embracing this idea of taking more damage oriented champs bot into the support role. When people play some off meta shit like support Leblanc Malphite Pantheon JarvanIV for fun. They wanted to build a champ from the ground up with this idea in mind. To farther enable people who do that & encourages others to do the same.

AmazoX5/21/2018, 2:38:28 PM1 votes

He is an offensive support instead of having defensive abilities or extraordinary CC added into kit.

criti76/25/2018, 4:18:50 PM1 votes

I think there is no simple yes or no answer to your question. Pyke is champion designed for new architype as a whole. Remember back in the day when people picked stuff like Garen or Gangplank when they had to play support? Those champions had zero dual lane utility but they offered huge kill potential and as such could work every now and then. I feel like Pyke is designed for those players...he can go full dmg and still succeed in dual lane thanks to his ult sharing gold whilst I feel like on solo lane he just get outdps'd by any desginated solo laner. Riot has long since abondoned the strict policy they used to have where each role has very narrow role they could play as. Sure there have been some oddities like AP tristana prior to her rework but generally riot used to make champions with one exact specific role in mind.

Tuition Fee5/21/2018, 6:32:12 PM1 votes

I like Pyke. Seen him in PBE, he's not as bad as most people would make him out to be. He's just unique and brings a new playstyle to the game. Kinda refreshing, really.

BALDG1VEN BOOMER5/21/2018, 2:56:25 PM1 votes

His ratios are beyond horrendous and he scales bad.

Supports can have great things too, just because that’s your notion of what a support is doesn’t mean Riot isn’t allowed to think outside the box.

Take Thresh for example a lot of people thought he was going to be a assassin based on his looks but that didn’t happen.

He’s not going to be played anywhere else besides support because of how bad his ratios are.

LordGeovanni5/21/2018, 6:41:38 PM1 votes

Rakan gains buffs with xayah rather than xayah x rakan synergy