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What causes lucian to be like he is?

Mokuto Bunshi·8/1/2016, 7:27:19 PM·1 votes·1,507 views

Lucian, This guy right here - - - ---->Lucian Has received a few nerfs since I started playing him, nothing huge since he is still playable, but namely range nerfs. The funny thing is not only is he still playable but he is still very popular as a pick bot lane champ and even sometimes mid lane. With and without said range his kit still works, and works well too (no I am not going to ad win/lose ratios until later because it is not needed in the OP). My argument before was that it's because he is a fast champ and can get in close and get hits off before the enemies can hit him... but that argument holds no water. And on top of all that there are PLENTY of ADCs that have either abilities like his or even a kit like his and individually they do a better job

  1. lucians ult does a lot of damage but over time and requires you do keep close to you target (easier said than done XD even using W)
  • jinx Ult rocket beats his ult in early game and late game does missing health and aoe damage anyways, is global.Jinx
  • Ashes Ult base damage is great and AP scaling is high (at 100% [I know that Ashe usually builds AD bot but that is for another time]) , is global.Ashe *Draven... is draven.... "Draven hurls two massive axes to deal 175/275/375 (+110% bonus Attack Damage) physical damage to each unit struck. Deals 8% less damage for each unit hit (Minimum 40%) and resets when the axes reverse direction." Is also global Draven *Ezreal, "winds up for 1 second to fire a long range missile that deals 350/500/650 (+100% bonus Attack Damage) (+90% Ability Power) magic damage to each enemy it passes through. Deals 10% less damage for each enemy hit (minimum 30%)." Burst,also global Ezreal *Jhin Has a massive ult range and can fire 4 times with the last bullet being the strongest doing 100% crit and 2X missing health damage. Jhin

A much more direct comparison can be found with Miss fortunes ult and kog'maws "Bio-Arcane Barrage" (W) *M Fortune Does 75% bonus AD and "Each wave can Critical strike icon critically strike, dealing 20% × (1 + bonus critical damage) bonus damage." Does that damage in a cone.MissFortune

  • Kog'Maw Deals only 55% AD BUT does 2+(0.75% per 100 AP) as percent max health damage and he can shoot up to 5 shots per second... that makes it possible (if you have at least nashor's tooth for AP and 2.5 attack speed from other items) to kill anything even if you could get millions of warmogs in exactly (7.27272727273) or 7.4 seconds(he fires every .2 seconds). This is not an ultimate ability and I did not include the AD damage that this does... Moving on. KogMaw
  1. Lucians claim to fame (and what makes him fun Imo) is his run and gun abilities (which to be fair taliyah is great at) Looking at it simply though.

*Vayne also has a 'dash' in the form of a tumble and can go invisible.Vayne *sivr and draven can speed themselves up.Sivir Draven *Caitlin can fire her net backwards to dash forwards.Caitlyn *Ezreal has a blink (Blink vs a dash in my experience blink wins every time (: ) Ezreal *Jhin gets a ghost every 4th auto attack.Jhin

Now for lucian, the ability that makes him fast is his W (looking past the fact that it's usually the last thing upgraded on him and some other chams)Lucian

"marks enemies for 6 seconds.When Lucian or his allies damage a marked target, Lucian gains 60/65/70/75/80 Movement Speed for 1 second."

"Draven:Draven Movement Speed bonus decreases rapidly over its duration. Catching a Spinning Axe will refresh the cooldown of Blood Rush. Draven gains 40/45/50/55/60% increased Movement Speed for 1.5 seconds and 20/25/30/35/40% increased Attack Speed for 3 seconds."

Sivir: Passive.Sivir "Sivir gains a short burst of Movement Speed when she attacks an enemy champion."

Sivir: Ultimate.Sivir "Sivir rallies her allies for 8 seconds, granting all nearby allies an initial 40/50/60% Movement Speed bonus that reduces to 20% after the first 2/3/4 seconds of On The Hunt elapse."

So his flat increase in speed also exists on other champs that scale late game due to percentage.

I could keep going for his Q (vs miss fortunes double up maybe and Jhins auto attack) and his kit over all but I just realized how long this post got so I will end it here.

If you look at lucians kit, Has a damage Q damage speed W a speed/mobility E and a damage R Other kits for ADCs also include protection, CC, Utility, True damage, Abilities that lock on(Lucians Q has a delay), % damage, and even invisibility and blinds...

SO, my question is this: Why is lucian as popular as he is (I mean I even like him!), and work as well as he does despite other ADC usually having a leg up in what he already does or having some other bonus in their favour?

After making this thread and seeing the numbers << >> I think imma go play a WHOLE LOT more kog'maw... Whispers to self(I bet I can do better than 7.4 seconds...)

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Peace Out

18 Comments

Dynikus8/1/2016, 7:36:32 PM2 votes

he has good waveclear, mobility, and poke.

Stalinium8/1/2016, 7:37:20 PM2 votes

Burst. That's what Lucian is- most other ADCs deal sustained (is that the right word?) damage, while Lucian goes in, bursts, and gets out. It's very effective, especially against other ADCs, and means Lucian will almost always win early trades

PhantomGG8/1/2016, 8:04:15 PM1 votes

Honestly this is a bad thing to vote on for what makes lucian so popular and good at the same time has nothing to do with a singular thing but more of everything about him. The pros in Lucian.

-Not hard to play but has a high skill cap: meaning you can pick him up as a new player and do fine with him, while having this opportunity to learn so much about him since their is so many neat tricks he has)

-With how his toolkit works has a HUGE variety of build paths: With how the meta changes so often this is very crucial for adcs, for every meta calls for a different type of adc, sometimes you want utilities, sometimes you want tank shredders, sometimes you want hyper carries. Lucian is able to build anything he wants, Burst BF sword builds, Tank Shredding builds, Duelist attack speed crit builds. He can build whatever he wants and still be good in game, this is a luxury not every champion in the game has, and it helps him stay relevent

-The Toolkit: You have a passive that allows you to double shot after every ability used, so he is great in trades, you have a Q for burst that can hit multiple targets as a laser, you have a W to give him movement speed and to proc his passive, which gives him sticking power, you have a E dash that has a pretty good range that can also be given CDR for every time he uses a ability after it, and than you have his ultimate which can burst down any target if aimed correctly. Because of his toolkit he can handle any match up during lane phase, he can be quite the lane bully, and is relevant at almost all points of the game. No he will never be a late game hyper carry like jinx or Vayne, but he won't ever be useless either.

And that is why Lucian is always Relevant, unless his damage ratios were to get nerfed he has both the toolkit that allows him to be good at all times, and the fan base that enjoys his easy to play but hard to master mechanics.

Arakadia8/1/2016, 8:42:42 PM1 votes

His ult is partially good because it isn't global. Global ults are hard to hit and even more delayed.

Erockandroll8/2/2016, 2:18:58 AM1 votes

I would say that I have been playing for about 3 years. And I could probably give some insight over the years.

The one thing I've noticed is, Lucian's kit is very adaptive to a number of item pathways. The first core build I saw him with was BT and TF. Back the, BT was an offensively minded weapon, with a stacking mechanic. It favored early game bullies because the first to buy it basically won. After patch 4.10, BT got changed to the defensive weapon with the overheal. One of the more experimental builds was BotRK (which was buffed that patch) and Ghost blade. This popped out since, at the time, Lucian's ult scaled with AS, so it technically synergized with the Ghost blade active. And BotRK synergized with his passive. That build however, got dropped in favor of a crit oriented build, because after 4.10, Crit was strong, IE was a rush item, and hyper carries were on top.

Of coarse after the most recent ADC update removed his AS scaling, in favor of flavoring him as a caster. Though on that same patch, ER was changed to be crit oriented, with scaling CDR. That had become the go to Caster build for a little while, basically until the Korean's found that Armor pen, is really good on casters who deal damage with their spells.

And over the coarse of that balancing nightmare thanks to how many build he can actually get away with. Riot decided that Lucian over all lacked any meaningful weaknesses. And then decided that his weakness should be his range.

This might sound like a long rant, But I feel his popularity is part in due to his history. Not just because he's currently good.

DREADN0UGHT8/1/2016, 7:30:50 PM1 votes

I'm not very good at Lucian but he is my most played ADC this season and last season.

I relate his popularity and general success to 2 things in the recent months:

  1. The new Korean build (item 3142 item 3071) makes his stupid strong from the moment he completes them both, and he doesn't fall off as much late game than the original vanilla build item 3508 item 3094

  2. Even though he has been nerfed in range (and I hate it), his kit offers him such a dominant laning phase. You get good poke, good mobility and overall trade advantage from his lightslinger passive.

Healz Please8/2/2016, 2:24:43 AM1 votes

He has incredibly mobility, on a short CD, that doesn't require as much skill to use as, say, Kalitta. I think it's that mobility, with his presence as a lane bully, that make him incredibly popular.

Mokuto Bunshi8/1/2016, 7:33:38 PM1 votes

Personally I think Lucian has some hidden synergies with his abilities...maybe double shot? I have no idea, tell me what you guys think, oh yeah and his Win/lose ratio is: Win Rate 47.4% lower than average. But his KDA is 2.5, higher than average. He just seems.... balanced?

and like I thought his pick rate is 27.1% ! the average is 1.5! This could mean that his Win rate is being affected by new as well as pro players alike which could cause it to be low. But the question remains, why is he this popular?Lucian

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