What are your thoughts on trying your respective champ botlane?
I just played a really fun game of Morde bot, and I've also done Vlad, albeit very poorly, and Gangplank, which worked.
Any build suggestions/strategies/support combos/thoughts on viability? Just for fun, of course, I would never take this stuff into big serious matches or expect it to be meta-breaking.
I'm not Tides of Blood, but I'm as likely to post as him on any Vlad topic on the Gameplay boards. Maybe I should branch out lol.
Vlad's in kind of an odd spot. He's really, really, really bad balance-wise right now, but the meta highly favors him...but the game pacing doesn't.
TBH, I think Vlad is highly viable, but you have to play him expertly.
He's extremely poor early, and you have to have the ability to win lane anyway in order to carry with him consistently. There's a lot that plays into that, and if you want to learn him, I'd be glad to help, but I won't needlessly post all of the necessities here if its not requested.
Basically, there's a very, very 'fine line' between outplaying (also known as doing anything at all on him) and dying for Vlad. The absurd amount of mobility (both stickiness and engage), damage, and weird utilities in the game now often means that if you mess up even slightly, you're dead if the opponent knows anything about fighting Vlad, or at least guesses correctly.
Until Vlad hits 4+ items, he's not bursting most people down. This means at least a minimum of 8 seconds of seconds of outplaying someone in most cases. Baiting them into thinking they're beating you, but staying just out of damage range so they continue to chase.
This can be easy in laning since people stick around for EXP/CS, but after people realize they can just all-in you at any point, that 'fine line' becomes extremely apparent.
However, if you perform successfully (not dying or even killing them), you automatically have a lead because you outscale most champions in the game. As long as you're farming, you're golden. You'll find you can even 1v3 in a lot of cases if you aren't set behind and they aren't stacking high MR early.
Just be sure to not build tank. Full AP or you'll be worthless past mid-game, even vs squishies. I did the math; more MR, a little bit more healing, barely less HP, and significantly more damage than Visage builds.
Its extremely viable below Diamond if you're practiced.
Diamond and above it comes down to your rotations and match-up knowledge, since you can't be really viably take TP as Vlad and most picks against you will attempt to counter.
Also, Vlad's getting buffs in one of the coming patches, according to a Rioter.
I played bot lane Morde today with the posse. Got my first Penta of the year down there.
I've considered playing Gangplank botlane, only played it once or twice. I can see GP do fine by just farming up and going for an all in once he hits his powerspikes, but his lack of pressure might cause him to lose that tier 1 tower quite early.
I can see him do fine with the kind of support you'd take with an ADC who wants to farm, Janna, Soraka, Nami? etc. Or a support who can help him set up a Keg Combo like Zilean or Bard.
I wouldn't expect it to ever become meta, but you definetly can do well with it.
N3AC3Y, a masters toplaner who primarily plays Gangplank and Tryndamere likes to play ADC Gangplank, he says it can be good if you know how to make it work, but it also relies on catching your enemy offguard, so if it were to become meta, people would figure out how to beat it :P https://www.twitch.tv/n3ac3y
I've never tried it, gimme a second to ponder.
Vlad in general is not in a great state. OTP's and mains can find success on him, basically anyone else is going to feed and/or be useless for their team. His early game is atrocious, with low damages and long cd's would be a problem in a lane where you're against someone with poke and range as an infinite resource.
That being said, I imagine with the right support you could do it. Someone who could allow Vlad to farm and keep him safe, while simultaneously providing utility for the team and lategame value.
So, basically anyone who abuses the busted combo of Windspeakers and Redemption would work. Try get your support to play 
and of course for maximum heals 
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You might want some AD marks to last hit, even if you're familiar with csing on Vladimir. In top lane or even mid you can get away with not needing them because of the nature of solo lanes, and you sometimes get to lane against melees. In bot, such a risk may be ruinous.
My personal setup for Vladimir probably wouldnt be suited for bot lane. I take 20% scaling CDR quints and some blues, HP/level yellows, MPen reds, and the other blues I don't use for CDR are AP/level. You could probably just take AR yellows instead of HP/level to fix that.
I don't imagine build path would be much different. Core items on Vladimir are , the former providing above-average stats for Vlad, being exceptionally cheap, and the slow, and the latter amplifying everything else you build by magnitudes of effectiveness only beaten by Veigar. There is no reason you don't want to be building these items.
Your options for AR/MR (which you need to build, there's no escaping it) are 
/ 
. Of these, I favour personally. On vs , it's basically about whether you want to be slightly harder to kill, or do slightly more damage. If your team is rocking 3+ AP, Abyssal gets even better, but if you're going bot with a healer/shielder, you'll get some really good mileage out of Visage.
Other options you should be looking into are 
in no particular order.
Honestly, Vladimir is more about the player than the build. Get used to his combos, learn his damage - when he has it, when you can go for kills. If there are any issues with Vladimir bot, it's that he scales with levels more than items compared to an ADC, and the shared EXP will hurt him. In addition, Riot decided that healers don't get to have any fun whatsoever and re-implemented 
, so if the enemy ADC gets that you'll have to rely on outdamaging rather than just outsustaining. Typically, Vladimir in mid/top wants to trade fairly constantly, and then heal up between trades to get the advantage, using the enemy's CD's to do that. ADC's don't have CD's because AA's are free and constant, so looking for windows to trade-heal-trade-heal might be tough. Vlad's towerpushing is also shit, which - now that bot lane is just a clusterfuck of 5 min 4-man dives and 6 min FB Tower - might hinder you if you're winning. You won't push well at all until you have items.
The nice thing about Vlad is he scales with basically every stat except AD/Crit/AS, so you can build accordingly. There's no pressure on you to win lane, because you'll scale into a lategame monster regardless, and even if you're behind you have Memeoplague to help your team out.
Off the top of my head, Vlad would do well against 
and poorly against 
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Lucian, Vayne, and Sivir because all their ranges are within Vladimir's, meaning you'll never be in a position to take harass without being able to return it. Of course, if Vayne gets to scale then you just lose because Riot doesnt know how to design Marksmen and %hp true damage is the stupidest mechanic since Riven as a whole that's how Vayne works. Kalista because she's shit.
Caitlyn and Jinx can just sit outside of your range basically forever, you need flash and/or ghost to kill them. Ezreal can kite you, but if you can stay on top of him he's dead meat. Draven above all will take advantage of your poor early game and crush you if he's good. Twitch is a 50/50 case because you can hit him with Tides of Blood even if he's invisible, but you might end up dying in pool thanks to his passive.
Feel free to ask me anything more, I'm tempted to try Vladimir bot with a premade next time I get the chance now. I hope that anything I didnt mention was already talked about by WoonStruck.
i play malzahar bot, much hilarity ensues.
I have seen a few decent Yas bots
Have a Lulu Support as Vlad. That Lulu ult on Vlad is quite fun.
why ask a d5 player when you can ask a challenger kek
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/5ls4ed/screw_ziggs_i_just_hit_challenger_playing/
