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So does Poppy literally render certain champions unplayable?

Jetridder11·12/11/2015, 2:13:04 AM·1 votes·1,530 views

I was playing Lee. I mean, what can you do? It doesn't really matter how far she's pushed up. "You want to do anything? I'll press W. You aren't doing anything to me. I'll be at my tower while you go and do whatever. I didn't ward either. Didn't feel the need, you can't do anything." And it's not something you can bait, either. You can no longer engage any team fights. Any attempts to do so will just put you kind of in the middle of them. And I THINK, not sure, that you won't even be able to W out.

I'm not just mad that this is a mechanic, it's stupid how easy it is to use. You press W and instantly it's just an aoe barrier around you that follows you. Also, this wasn't ranked, it was team builder/blind pick.

But seriously, why? This only generates negative play. There is no champion that completely renders another champion useless, all game long, like Poppy does.

If you don't know what Poppy's W does, it is this:

PASSIVE: Poppy's total armor and magic resistance are increased by 12%, doubled to 24% while below 40% of her max. health. ACTIVE: Poppy gains bonus movement speed for 2.5 seconds and generates a barrier around her for the duration, causing all enemies who dash within to be Airborne icon knocked down and dealt magic damage. This can only happen once per enemy champion.

In the end, I don't think I want this ability to be removed in its entirety. Things like this does do good in creating outplays. But with the way it is, it doesn't do that. I think, instead of removing it, it needs to be more difficult to utilize. I don't know how, but yes. An instant aoe barrier that follows you, and it's a very large barrier by the way, is just no.

Update: Thank you for your feedback. I see that most people think I'm just salty about this and most players think it's not as bad as I am thinking it is. As a result, I will assume this is just my initial reaction to a couple of bad/annoying games with Lee, so I will go forward and try to keep an open mind towards this ability. Thanks!

38 Comments

Ferezilla12/11/2015, 2:25:53 AM11 votes

God forbid one champion is able to counter mobility. Salty ass LeeSin andRiven players I love it

Shandrake12/11/2015, 3:10:24 AM4 votes

Thank you based Poppy .

These mobility creep champ tears will keep me hydrated for years.

Kouga12/11/2015, 3:01:00 AM3 votes

Number of dashes that Poppy can block per target per W: 1

Number of dashes that Lee Sin has at his disposal: 2

Let's do the math here..

2 > 1

"Lee can't outplay Poppy"

Scenario 1) Lee comes in to gank Poppy who has pushed forward a bit. He lands a Q. Knowing that Poppy can stop his dash, he starts to W to a minion close to Poppy. Poppy likely uses her W in response, expecting him to Q2 to her. This stops Lee for a moment, after which he can then Q2 as planned.

Scenario 2) Can use Q on an enemy minion to get behind Poppy if she is out of position

Scenario 3) Wait for the laner to bait out her W by using their own dash and then go in on her while its on CD

Scenario 4) Have a top laner with CC (like most of them do) and have them engage and hold Poppy while Lee uses the feet that God gave him to walk up to her like any other Jungler.

yes, Poppy is strong against dashes, but if you think it completely removes your agency you're not going about it the right way.

Jamaree12/11/2015, 2:24:12 AM2 votes

Complains that one of her moves negatively affects two of his Doesn't complain about Lee Sin being able to do the same to every stealth champion in the game with two of his moves.

I see no bias in this post at all.

3TWarrior12/11/2015, 2:36:02 AM1 votes

there are several champions that can render others mostly useless, usually by completely shutting down their lane

in yasuo's case, he can deny farm and half of the abilities in the game

morgana can prevent crowd control against a single champion so long as her shield isn't destroyed by magic damage (and she can get it up quite high)

tryndamere (although kiteable), if you are caught out at all, he will kill you and cannot be killed in return

rammus is the ultimate counter to an ADC

blitzcrank, although dodgeable, only needs to land one Q to allow his team to instantly delete a champion

amumu's crowd control and damage have no direct counters

chogath shuts down every caster in existance and loves to eat a carry

ryze renders every melee obsolete when he plays top lane

there are plenty of champions that render others useless and it shouldn't be that way, but that's the way it is

at least for poppy, she is strictly melee range other than her ultimate

Faith Breaker12/11/2015, 2:57:04 AM1 votes

A Lee player out played by a Poppy and he comes to the forums to cry. Nothing to see here move along folks.

Packun Flower12/11/2015, 3:14:54 AM1 votes

The new Poppy is great and I love her.

However she is out shining Lee Sin in the utility department and that alone will cause riot to nerf her because no champion is ever allowed to be come better then Lee Sin.

God forbid anything should happen to their LC$ super star!

M0b1us12/11/2015, 3:19:53 AM1 votes

That ability alone gives me hope. Finally something to counter mobility rather than just raw stats.

Guyy Fieri12/11/2015, 3:22:55 AM1 votes

I like that it counters dashes. That being said, there is reverse counterplay. If you are reliant on dashes or mobility, don't engage if Poppy hasn't used her W. Once she has and once it's down, go in

MasterSomething12/11/2015, 2:17:23 AM1 votes

Renders a champion useless? Huh, I didn't know that there was only one lane in SR. I really should pay attention to something like that, and the fact that she has a 22 second cooldown on her W as well as it only works once per champion. Besides, it's not like counters exist in this game, right?

IcyPepper12/11/2015, 3:24:27 AM1 votes

Now you understand how immobile champions feel.

And before you bring up cc... keep in mind you were playing a mobile champion with a gap closer, a ward hop, a slow, and a knockback. Each a different ability.

Now imagine how people feel when they can't escape you, or they can't catch you out because of your self-peel and mobility. Ever been counterjungled without any counterplay?

Now think long and hard about how you feel, and understand why nobody is taking any pity on you. I'm sorry if that's... sounds a bit rude, but that's how people have felt about Lee Sin for awhile and this is a good opportunity to see it from their point of view.

cinomenapplebae12/11/2015, 2:20:12 AM1 votes

Playing Riven against her is cancer.

Sir Yamazuki12/11/2015, 2:26:17 AM1 votes

Lee does the same thing, and he's even worse about that, so why are you complaining exactly?

DeathBurst12/11/2015, 2:34:54 AM1 votes

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And I THINK, not sure, that you won't even be able to W out.

You can W out, just not while you're knocked-up. It blocks only 1 dash, just like Veigar cage just stun you once, or Jinx chompers just root you once. You have to see it like that. Veigar cage exist for months and years, and it can block your engages, and you didn't complain. Same for Azir ult (but yeah, it's an ult, ok). And more generally, there are dozen of ways to counter engage on a Lee jumping on you. Poppy's may be simple to use, but I think it fits her kit well.

So yeah, not the worst counter ever, and all Riven mains complaining that she can cancel one of her 4 dashes are just ridiculous.