Why do "AD" champions have AP ratios (and vice versa)?

Tulare·6/26/2017, 3:12:30 PM·3 votes·1,825 views

I'm looking at Varus at the moment but I know that Miss Fortune, among others, have this "issue". These champions have AP ratios on some of their abilities but in practice, there's no value to them. The recommended builds as well as the seemingly most successful builds for these champions include AD items but never AP items. Why do these champions even have AP ratios? Are there niche AP or hybrid builds for them? Or are those ratios wishful thinking on designers' parts -- features that they hope will prompt a variety of builds but which, in practice, do nothing, once the truly "optimal" builds are discovered?

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ProtestantCaesar6/26/2017, 3:30:29 PM5 votes

It kind of depends on the champion, and the time that the ratios were added. Older players like to talk about how in the beginning of League, attack damage increased the damage of attacks and ability power increased the power of abilities, even on champions that were intended to mostly auto attack. (In fact, attack damage still increases the damage of attacks even on champions that mostly use abilities, so this is still mostly how it works.) The oddity, then, is when an ability scales with attack damage.

Except that that's not odd anymore. At some point, Riot decided that having champions whose abilities did more damage based on how much attack damage you had was a good idea. Now we have many of these.

And on some champions, hybrid builds were definitely intended, or at least seem to have Riot approval. Champions like Kayle, Jax, Akali, and Kennen were all probably intended to be hybrid champions.

On some champions, the ratios inspired alternate builds. Master Yi's Q used to have an AP ratio, and AP Master Yi was a thing. AP Tryndamere used to be a thing. AP Varus and AP Tristana are sometimes things. These aren't/weren't even hybrid builds (although hybrid Varus is also a thing). Curiously, AD builds on typically AP champions seem to be rarer than AP builds on typically AD champions.

There was also a patch note a year or two or three ago (I don't remember when. I could probably find it by looking at the LoL wiki's record of Nocturne changes.) that gave Nocturne's passive an AP ratio, not to support a hybrid of AP Nocturne build - Nocturne is definitely an AD champion - but to make incidental AP gained from sources like the Baron Nashor buff or the Natural Talent mastery (which he might take for the AD anyway) not feel wasted.

III BAKURYU III 6/26/2017, 3:18:49 PM3 votes

To keep players wanting and experimenting on their own in my opinion. If every champion in the game are divided by just AP/AD it would eliminate potential meta changes/thoughts/opinions/creative builds instead of the same item builds etc.
Another thing is getting countered by it, some champions like Corki/MF do have pretty high AP ratio mainly Corki, so just building armor isn't going to help, which in turn falls back under creative builds for both the AP ratio champion and for the defender/vice versa.
Just my thoughts tho, could be wrong

SquashCannon6/26/2017, 3:55:34 PM2 votes

small ratios have been added in mostly for things like baron buff so it doesn't feel like shit for some champions and amazing for others, and instead feels powerful for all champions.

Historically, some champions have benefited from baron much less than others, and while that's still somewhat true today, it's a lot less true with these small buffs that are otherwise unnoticeable.

OceanicEyes6/26/2017, 3:24:55 PM2 votes

To add on to what Bakuryu said, some champions actually have some respectable off builds, such as when AP Miss Fortune was a thing, and I still (albeit rarely) see mage Varus mid every now and then.

Other champs, such as Shyvana and Nocturne, have them because they were supposed to get better synergy out of the previous iteration of Guinsoos Rageblade. And old Trinity Force used to grant some AP as well, which champs that built it could benefit from even in a small way.

Zero Skill Tank6/26/2017, 4:06:22 PM2 votes

All the reasons mentioned by others are valid, but I wanted to add that giving AP ratio to an AD champion sometimes is Riot's way to say "we don't want this champion to scale TOO well with damage items" without being too direct.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku6/26/2017, 5:04:37 PM1 votes

, in practice, do nothing, once the truly "optimal" builds are discovered?

MissFortune supp don't agree

Micbran6/26/2017, 4:01:37 PM1 votes

Old champs tend to have them more, when they were designed the game was less serious and there wasn't really a meta. Any build worked and you could experiement with whatever.

Nowadays? You'll get flamed.