Anyone want to discuss this damage? (Nerf Vi damage)

QuantumAxel·7/11/2017, 8:12:37 PM·1 votes·635 views

I know i did some boosted plays here, but hear me out. Look at this Vi's damage. is this supposed to be fair at such a low level... Even Talon power spike isn't that strong... She had Two long swords.

Should Vi do this much damage??? Atleast tone something down like wtf. Zed can't even do that much damage at level 3 with a full combo.

Sorry for the sound on the video.

6 Comments

Drugoth7/11/2017, 8:16:03 PM2 votes

Working as intended. She gets 2 charges on that cone punch ability, for starters. Also, you stood too close to your minion waves and got hit by every single one of her Aoes like a dunce. Of course she's going to all in you at level 3 with that little health.

Also note, her W shreds armor which is particularly powerful early game when no one has any items.

Critmaster Garen7/11/2017, 8:18:02 PM1 votes

shes this strong at early levels due to auto attack resets/empowered auto attacks.

she hit you with an auto attack and an e two times in a row, then she hit you with a straight q to the face and another auto attack e.

so yes, this is intended.

Eunson7/11/2017, 8:52:07 PM1 votes

Probably wrong runes/masteries on Talon Talon was cringe worthy to watch - horrible mechanics Why are you even trying to melee fight a Vi without poking? You're fighting in minions Vi damage looks fine, she landed everything and you didn't do anything to stop it.

Edit* you went magic resist against Vi...you had 0 armour.

GiveMeUrMilk7/11/2017, 9:29:53 PM1 votes

M7 Vi here(just need the essence ;-;) let me see if I can break it down for you. The level one trade that you lose Auto>E>auto>Tlords>E

E is an auto reset, so she got a quick burst on your to proc Tlords. It can hold 2 charges. It's also an AA modifier which at level 1 adds 10(+115% AD) damage.

Assuming she started longsword 3, and had attack marks and quints, that's 15.3 AD(from runes) and 10 AD(longsword) added to her base AD of 55.9 at level 1 means she has a total of 81.2 AD at level 1.

That means that Auto>E>Auto>Tlords>E is roughly:

81>103.15>81>17.59>103.15 damage. That's before any mitigation though.

Talon at level 1, has 583 HP, and 26.9 Armor, assuming you had the standard 9 armor, (and 9 MR since Tlords is magic dmg so that's' 41.1 MR)then you had 35.9 Armor.

Then after mitigation it becomes 59.6>75.9>59.6>12.4>75.9=283.4 damage

So you lost 283 of your 583 HP, dropping to 300(you lost about roughly 50% HP) You also took damage from minions though, which was actually quite a lot.

You died during the level 2 trade. When Vi went in then it looks like you have about 40% HP, so about 233 HP.

She started the engage with Q. Q has a base damage of 40(+60% bonus AD) but that is increased against champions so it was 50(+80%bonus AD) it also knocked you back, stopping you from retaliating immediately.

Assuming she still only has one longsword, Q would do 70.24 damage, since you were level 2 your armor was then roughly 39 so Q did 50.5 damage.

She followed Q with an Auto followed by E which procced Tlords again.

her auto at level 2 would do 60.4 dmg, E then did 76.7 damage, and Tlords did 39.9 damage

That's a total of 227.5 damage. Since she killed you, I can only assume she had armor pen in masteries, which accounts for the approximate 5.5 dmg I missed here.

It's totally feasible for her to that much damage. She has very high numbers. You got cheesed by an extremely off meta pick. Vi is played in jungle because it's very hard for her to win fights in top lane. Her Q is her only engage/escape and it slows her when charging, she's very susceptible to being poked out f lane, even with her shield passive.

I don't know for certain, but she probably set up her runes and masteries specifically for mid, I don't play vi out of the jg, so I couldn't say what they are. But yes, Vi SHOULD do this much damage. You just got cheesed hard.