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Support Mains should have LP Shield during losses by bad teammates

ASQ Infinity·12/10/2018, 7:15:49 PM·2 votes·1,227 views

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I'm a support main, and in ranked, it is near impossible to climb from Silver and up as a Support Main. I'm sure some have done it by getting lucky with team mates or playing non-traditional supports (like a true mid-laner as a support).

I think that some grace should be given by the system in terms of LP lost for not securing a win. If my ADC is bad (like standing still during farming for an easy target), there's little I can do other than try to poke and absorb any damage I can.

During season 8 I have gone from a highest rank of S1 to S5 (and now in the pre-season a B1). I have played Nautilus lately as I'm mechanically sound and have map/macro awareness, but that cannot overcome people that should not be playing ranked games as it ruins the fun of the climb for everyone else.

I'm sure there will be people that would try to abuse the system, but Riot should have enough data to figure out: 1) Who plays support majority of time and 2) What list of champs are deemed worthy of the LP shield; so to prevent abuse.

I've started to play Top Lane as an alternative due to the "way things are" in hopes of having some control of my destiny.

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Just an idea. i doubt it would happen. Essentially I have to find an alternative way to climb out of this cesspool, and then maybe I can play Support again (or just give up on playing ranked).

23 Comments

MrFawknSunshine12/10/2018, 8:30:50 PM4 votes

as a support main i highly disagree with this.

i also disagree with losing less lp/gaining more lp based on grade of game

also disagree with losing less lp for dcs/afks

over the course of a season with hundreds of rank games played ( lets be real we are all addicts other wise league would of failed a long time ago) those games where you have an afk/dc or have a bad team mate balances out on average for everyone.

everyone deals with this. no one is special and immune to it. so we are all on shaky but even ground.

and those 10-15% of games that we all deal with this BS dont stop you from being diamond if you are silver or gold if you are iron/bronze

it might have an effect on "fringe" players who need just a lil bit of good luck to go from silver 1- mid gold but in all honesty as much as you will all disagree and hate the mmr/lp/elo/match making we are all in ranks/elos we deserve.

if i was good enough to be diamond i would be. im not. im ok with it.

i believe the rank system is here to provide a even/fair game to play so we feel challenged and have a reward to work towards. i dont want to play vs Plat + and those in high elos dont want to play with or against gold and below

so you win and gain LP as a team and you lose and lose lp as a team

Mordius12/10/2018, 7:26:50 PM1 votes

[sg-miss-fortune]

usul120212/10/2018, 7:31:35 PM1 votes

Support carries quite hard. Enchanters are pretty weak right now bar nami, so that might be hurting you, but with how weak adc is pretty much every supp is the lane decider right now and can have good map impact. Especially as nautilus you can snowball 2 lanes at once.

Arcade Lulu12/10/2018, 7:35:56 PM1 votes

lmao just get a good duo

Kai Guy12/10/2018, 8:25:38 PM1 votes

Then to balance it out, we would have to reduce LP gains when you win for a bad enemy. From Personal experience I can assure you its entirely possible to climb in both Bronze and silver. The Trick is to pick what's needed for your personal skill and also will synergize with teammates/Opponents at the average skill of your MMR.

In other words you should avoid Soraka (yes I looked over your account and stats.29% win rate over 31 games no doubt had a very negative impact on your Position in the ladder last season.) Approach champions by what they are good at and what they want to avoid. Apply the Context of what players around you are doing right or wrong. Lower on the Ladder players will take a lot of damage that should be avoided, your heal will cost you your HP. They wont nessesarly give you time to regenerate hp back from hitting your Q. They know raka can heal them so they go in assuming that your going to top their hp off after a trade. Its unlikely consideration for how much of your HP this costs is going to be a factor.

I would also avoid Nautilus . If your able to land his Q and follow up. You could just be playing some one like Blitzcrank whos Q has the highest displacement in the game for a hook and can catch folks out. Alternatively Thresh Can save lives with Lantern to compensate for a teammate with bad positioning. (thou like I said early look to whats around you. If a majority of players are not using lantern thresh becomes a weaker champion if people don't interact with his kit.)

Now I have played Annie Velkoz Veigar Brand Zyra in the support role. They can do it, but a lack of mobility on all of them means you run a high risk of death if a mid, jungler get feed and roam. You also need to play them well and consistently land a majority of your ability's.
Only you or some one spectating you constantly will have a good idea of what your skill on a champion is. I will say that if your win rates under 50% after 20 games then you should change your opinion of your skill on that champion. Because that's not good enough to climb. You don't have to say "im garbage at X" Just "I cant Climb with X" The champion might work better in different MMRs. (not all champions are equal. See how Azir and Ryze got gutted for pro play despite being near the very bottom of win rates in bronze.) Its also possible to overvalue yourself and the champion might work better if you could play them better or gained better micro/macro. If you feel you improved on that champion a lot, that most your losses are just from earlier games or some luck. Play another 20 games and keep track of the wins and losses. Still under 50%? Still disagree? fine do it again. Still under? Still disagree? ok... you can keep playing it but your 60 matches in and have not made any progress up the ladder. the lower your win % is.... then your actualy dropping. So your still not able to win despite the fact we can expect the players in your game on the other team to be worse, and your not making enough impact for your team to win with weaker teammates.

You can climb with pretty much anything or any one long as you do it well enough. In a MMR system (hidden MMR score is what controls your LP gains and Losses per game) You cant Flood it with free Points. Overwatch has a skill factor in their MMR calculations. How ever even with that end of the day a loss is going to lose your MMR even if your Mvp with really bad teammates your going down still on a loss. Same for win, how ever you gain less points if your not doing better.

I have my Biases for champions in the role, Braum does not get enough love Imo but ultimately you need to figure out the ones that work for you... My play style is not really good for Braum for example.