seriously, voidling AI is so bad that it is utterly worthless as a source of damage, and even if they do somehow miraculously make it over to the enemy you hit with E, they die so fast it's unlikely they ever actually do damage and instead just feed people free gold even if it is a negligible amount. Null Zone was such an important part of his kit and not having it makes him feel so much worse.
Not going to happen, Riot doesn't want to go back on this because they actually don't understand why Malzahar players liked old Malzahar more.
On top of that he is "more popular" now, vs not being popular. Back then he had a 1% play rate with a mild win rate. Now he has a 4-7% play rate with a over 51-52% win rate. In riots eyes that is successful
It was fine just after rework but they nerfed it... It really feels like Malzahar is lacking one skill.
I love how they literally made his current R his old W+R...simplifying an already simple character. Real neat Riot.
Old malz could play minion commander better as they scaled of his stats and pen, he was actually fun to play that way as you'd get tanky with auras and watch melee Champs fight a hord of voidlings trying to kill you while getting murdered.
New malz can't even anti assassin that well anymore
Its kind of funny how not only Riot nerfworked him out of an actual anti-assassin role, but he is now capable of the actual non-interactive lane that was blamed for despite never existing pre-rework.
Malz rework was a mistake and the only thing keeping him relevant right now is that he can peel for the ADC, because his damage is completly shoved into voidlings and they die to random AoEs half the time. In fact, he is weak to most midlane assassins now because they have a lot of no resource spammeable AoE to instaclear any voidling.
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seriously, voidling AI is so bad that it is utterly worthless as a source of damage, and even if they do somehow miraculously make it over to the enemy you hit with E, they die so fast it's unlikely they ever actually do damage and instead just feed people free gold even if it is a negligible amount. Null Zone was such an important part of his kit and not having it makes him feel so much worse.
him not having null zone anymore makes him way too dependant on liandrys tbh i really dont like that part about him sadly its not just that but also his atrocious early damage + mana costs dont get me wrong he can still be really good but laning with him just feels terrible since almost everyone else beats you and you are too dependant on jgl help
w is pretty much only there to block skillshots..
"Nah, gotta try and come up with innovative champions, get players attached to them, then dump them down until they have a completely 1-dimensional play style in hopes that newer players will pick them up, only to stop playing them 2 weeks later and go for the next, and also because we don't want to invest time and resources into balancing those champions appropriately. Rinse and Repeat. "
-Riot.
They admitted class reworks were a mistake and still never reverted Malzahar
EVEN THOUGH he was a champion that went from Season 2 all the way to Patch 6.9 (MYMU) with ONLY a SINGLE NERF to his name
[Null Zone 8% -> 6% due to Deathfire Touch, so even that one nerf was because Riot was fucking around with Masteries]
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Malzahar was one of the few, if not the only, champion in the game that was able to play every role thanks to how his power budget pre-rework allowed you to go into either AD or AP damage.
Not to mention that he spent years near the top of the Tier 1 list and for YEARS wasn't broken .
Repertoir can go fuck himself for messing up Malz, defending the dumb rework damage, and then going radio silent on the issue.
But thats okay because Malzahar apparently had to die so that new champions & mobile menaces could live. /s
new malz is boring. I liked pre rework that his minions where on a charge system and his old w. I had a lot of fun back in the day doing the minion and w r combos.
I think old male was easily more balanceable tbh...
Riot really got carried away thinking they were making the game better when really it was just worse.
Pretty sure he's the only champions whose summoned units take full damage from AoE effects so literally anyone can oneshot them.
About the only thing his voidlings are good for is pushing lane by amping up dmg so that his E jumps over to the next minion.
That's it. His W by itself though, outside of that niche is fuccking useless though.
Malzahar in general needs some work tbh. He's basically a walking ult carrier . Buy liandrys , rylais and morellos, press E and R on someone. Thats the whole champion lol
We really shouldn't let this thread die this time.
i like old malzahar more too null zone on W and not combined with R was cool
Move old W from ult into voidlings and name it ZZ'Rot portal.
I would love to see a full revert.
I want my pool on W again.
There is only ONE champ with minions (not a Boss Minion like Annie R) that live for any length of time
honestly, the only time i pick malz is when i dont want to interaction at all with enemies and just afk push the whole game.
I wish they could deliver a better Summoner Gameplay fantasy.
I liked the other iteration of Malzahar more than the current because now you're just an R bot for your team.
But even if he was Reverted I still want him to have something more unique or something that would define and make Malzahar stand out more.
He killing targets to slow now. Atm game looks like "kill in 2 sec or you are useless" Malza need more time and this type of mages...no no existing,say thx to riot.
I rly like that very old Malza but what can i do...
Only thing I'd be scared of is if Malz could even survive in this meta without his spellshield.
The main problem with the Malzahar rework: They took everything that was "low-counterplay" or "boring" about his old kit and amplified it by 10 and then made him even worse to play against.
A lot of people complained Malzahar would push relentlessly, well now he does it even better and is waaay safer thanks to his Passive. People complained about his point-click Suppression, well they definitely hit the damage on it, but did nothing to address the fact that people complained about being point-click Suppressed, except now he has his Passive... His voidlings are low effort mindless click W instead of actually having to time your abilities properly to spawn them. His Q is worse. His old W was pretty core to his kit and now its just part of his R.
Malzahar is as boring to play as he is frustrating to play against. At least old Malz you could be an Assassin if you built him glass canon or you could go AD or you could go for a Minion Master build. This Malzahar just does not do enough damage until late game, even then his damage is lower than the average mage. No more AD Malz. And the minions require zero effort or brain power to spawn. He builds the exact same build every game and plays the exact same way regardless of his opponent. HE IS BORING RIOT!
I am all for Reverting him and then reworking him again starting from Old Malzahar. Can we like get together and sign a petition? How many people actually played Old Malz enough to make a difference?
Change his point and click stun to something else and you can do with malz whatever you want.
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seriously, voidling AI is so bad that it is utterly worthless as a source of damage, and even if they do somehow miraculously make it over to the enemy you hit with E, they die so fast it's unlikely they ever actually do damage and instead just feed people free gold even if it is a negligible amount. Null Zone was such an important part of his kit and not having it makes him feel so much worse.
He is still strong. He actually is required to hit some skills now instead of just R
Not trying to be sarcastic or anything considering that I'm extraordinarily low elo, but what's the problem with malzahar and his current state? Is it mostly a high elo problem? Because all I do is level my e and then whenever it transfers to a champion I just go ham on them and win.
Bonus points if they buy a QSS and then don't even move when they use it so they're still taking that percent health damage lol
I didn't play malzahar before the rework though so I don't know. Was it really that much better than this current state? He's hella easy now And I mostly just pick them if they ban my champ because he's easy to play but I think that's only because I'm in low elo because he also seems really easy to counter with just a few items
It would've nice if his voidlings have the endurance of Yorick's ghouls
It would at least slightly boost their survivability a bit and plus they have no form of gap closers unlike Yorick's ghouls
I don't think a revert's necessary, but I would like to see something done with him. I used to play him occasionally from time to time before; but whenever I decide to pick him up again, he just feels worse and worse, in the sense of not belonging in this meta.
As long as you have an ability which can kill his voidlings, you basically deleted half of his kit, and if you don't eat everything he throws at you in lane, he won't be able to one shot you until later into the game.
And that's his only saving grace, he is very strong late game, and he can stall/delay the games incredibly good. But the meta revolves around early skirmishes, roams, jungle invades, ganks, cheesing someone early game and etc., Malz just provides very little in terms of damage, utility and roams in the early stages of the game (his silence takes awhile to scale up to a reasonable duration and his ult has a high CD until 11), which is why I think he feels so bad to play right now.
