Why Sightstone isn't always an Must Buy

Deathy·7/4/2015, 9:01:23 AM·1 votes·1,505 views

I notice something when i'm on my accounts (Yes I have more then one). Rank&non in Summoner Rift, People yell at me to buy Sightstone, when I already have an greater Stealth Totem, when their is invisible character it better to have the Greater Vision Totem and Sightstone combo.

Here let me explain Greater depth why it an waste to invest 1.6k to get 5 wards that isn't much useful unless you are defending the base and always refilling in base (so always backing a lot).

At level 9 if you are support you are normally yell at by ADC, and late game when people are 2-3 level higher then you for taking one-two or if it a big wave 5-10 CS and how they need it more. Heck I also notice in non-rank most player don't even ward, and yell at me to ward more, when I already have 3 ward out saying we need more vision, Oh how I don't miss the old day when support were force to buy all the wards. Anyways....

At level 9 if you are support you hardly would have much Items , and if you are stuck in a losing or winning lane you may or may not have the cast depending on the type ADC you get. - if you are other character other then support , then it depend mainly on your CS skill, and how you fair in trading lane pressure with the other. But by level 9 you would atleast upgrade your warding totem if you are going keep it majorly through the game and not change for Orb/Sweeper.

the 1.6k gold give you 5 wards, they are fully like normal wards last 3 mins and only refill if your going to shop, but same time, you could turn that 1.6k into Magic/physical Armor, Get health/mana regen items, items to help you trade better (Sheen for some champion like Blitzcrank Leona and ect).....

If you always going to base then sightstone more ideal, but that is still 800 gold for 4 ward for and 150 hp, and if you behind in items/need those stat more cause bad laning phase and person has already item 1038 you mostly going want armor if your tank character like Braum Alistar and so ect, cause that hp would mean little if you being preassure and can't regen your health or heal quick enough, as you be buyin potion

at level 9+ if you are having invisible character like Evelynn you also don't want to leave ward around to long if they have the upper hand, or have someone always sweeping ward as soon you place them or place them and have them their to long when you and the team wouldn't be there and just destroy the ward remaining time to ward somewhere else when all you need the ward to be there for small time to see if your going get gank/flanked.

Greater Stealth Totem give you an ward charge ever 60 second, and ward last 180 second second long (so about 2 mins) and the item costed you only 250 gold, you are given the ability to buy the Ruby crystal and then some health regen to maybe item 2053 or some armor and potion then instead of getting an stuck limit of 4 ward that last 3 mins that could been sweeped then destroyed and giving the sweeper 15 extra gold to help their lead more ,cause most likely your goin' place a ward in their pink if your behind and stuck at tower and if you ward rive run to cover and see them kill your placed ward and stuck with less charges til you Back to base, and as mention sometime you don't want to be forced backed cause them you lower protection of tower and gave it up at 75% health which you could very well defended.

Also as mention earlier you are getting Ward ever 60 second that last 180 second long, so by the time you place 1 ward, down, in about 2 mins before it disappear you have 2 more ward to place, and after you place those two, about 2 mins go by then you have 3 ward always on the map unless you died (then you have how many ward to do rotation til you have 3 on the map where you need them to go for short time for pushing lane , or just quick tower to destroy then leave) while item 2049 you relaying completely to it mercy of charges and if you maxed out your ward you have to waste it remaining duration. Only a few champion don't care as much for them is like Katarina or LeeSin and Jax used them to get around the map as tools rather then vision.

if you think of it honestly yelling at someone who already have Greater Totem , shouldn't be forced to buy item 2049 , or upgraded to the item 2045 cause if they are behind why would they invest so much money in item that wouldn't be as useful as the totem upgraded that casted them 250g when support player are being trashed into the lower ranked and ect as the sole ward coverage when their isn't an invisible threat and they are using their warding totem more then anyone else it an ideal better investment.


Why i'm posting this on my non-rank account? Cause honestly why should I post on an rank account to get the same respect? So what my other acc's Gold or Plat it the ideal to show you don't need know someone being high rank to trust or see logic behind a post, and this account was eventually going be main rank support account like my Mid and Jungler accounts are, But When all you see trash on the support role it make it one the few reason it the most un-rated role cause they are forced to get items cause the "meta" demand it when it shouldn't be the Meta, but what an needed build for the problem and avoid increasing the gold gap - Also this account mainly spam Aram, as I enjoy that cause no1 care as much what you build.

Remember this or go place an account that isn't ranked if you already high rank, make new account be support, and see how people treat you like trash if you aren't using the "meta" stander, it like some people follow Guide to heart and think "Counter" are 100% thing and then wonder why they got trashed when they should be stronger, it all about skill and mech, level.

Only time their isn't much trash talk for someone to get sightstone and ect cause their gold+ and understand the use, but the people who are silver, trash and troll who will fight over the smallest amount of CS even rage quit (oh I seen this alot also) is to damn high and IT sadden when the community doesn't help point out item that help reduce gold wasted when people need work together.not to mention if people think support are sole provider of vision then they need be slapped out the mind set to see is a team effor and if their isn't ward, don't go yelling stright to the support for ward problem when you can easily hover over the icon and see x/3 ward placed on the totems.

41 Comments

Trídent7/4/2015, 3:00:17 PM7 votes

The support buys item 2049 for map control, item 3364 to battle enemy map control, while the other champions buy item 3361 item 3362 for map control, or item 3363 to prevent ambushes, or set up an ambush. They also could take a 2nd item 3364 verses champions like Teemo Shaco Akali

buster kiton7/4/2015, 10:42:34 AM4 votes

First of all, you don't upgrade your sightstone to ruby sightstone until you have everything else bought. That means you only invest 800 gold in unlimited wards and a bit of tankiness.

Second, if you use greater stealth totem, you can not get sweeper and oracles. This means you have no way to deny the enemy team dragon/baron vision, set up ganks by deactivating wards and later on can't make baron baits work since you can't be sure enemies have no wards.

Third, you can't continuosly inch your vision line forward, because you only have access to two wards instead of four. (5 if upgraded). This means when you're moving in unwarded areas, you will have to facecheck more often. It's also harder to replace any destroyed wards because you can't get enough of them fast enough.

Of course, you shouldn't buy sightstone in every role. If you are midlaner, you can just stay with your greater totem since two wards are enough for you (support should be in control of objective vision)

xGarzilla7/4/2015, 9:18:43 AM3 votes

You can afford a sight stone earlier than upgrading your totem. You get upgrade it to a pink and still have normal wards to place around. Upgrading trinket is available at lvl 9. You can afford a sightstone WAY before that. Upgrade only costs 250 @ lvl 9 as well.

Sightstone is a STAPLE to all supports. Just buy the damn thing.

The Queen Viper7/4/2015, 10:48:59 AM3 votes

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People yell at me to buy Sightstone, when I already have an greater Stealth Totem ... if you think of it honestly yelling at someone who already have Greater Totem ...

You are doing it wrong. There is no reason whatsoever to ever buy the greater Stealth Totem when you are playing a support.

Sightstone + sweeper is always superior and the right way to go.

Please, if you don't want to buy a sightstone, then STOP playing a support. You are only hurting your team by doing stupid plays like that.

Mundo7/4/2015, 12:11:52 PM3 votes

he is right. you dont need to buy sightstone every game as support. Since early on you can swap river warding with your adc. You can technically have river warded permenantly until 9 at which point the adc and support can upgrade the trinket. Sighstone is still a good item but not necessary always. Most of the time late game I tend to sell sightstone and get upgraded warding totem.

BlueThingamajig7/5/2015, 3:06:54 AM2 votes

I don't know about you, but I plant some 30 wards a game when I'm support.

I like having an item that is 331% gold efficient.

Also, when you have your lane perfectly warded, you can go more aggressively. When you go more aggressively, you take damage. When you take damage, its worth backing more frequently to heal. When you go back to heal, you restock 2-4 wards for free. When you have free wards, you perfectly ward your lane.

Baby Ghoul7/4/2015, 10:27:18 AM2 votes

There is no excuse for not buying sightstone as support because vision and map control is your first priority and most important aspect of your role. Map control wins games, and it's also why I prefer to have sightstone and sweeping lens. It's also amazing for sneaking around warded areas if you can abuse corners.

7/10 of my games other players ward. I'm also unranked, so I get matched with people in bronze/silver. The only time where warding was very uncommon in my normal games was when I was under level 30. Even as I read through your post, I do not find one valid excuse to not buy it as the support. If your ADC or team needs you to buy something or be something, then that is your job.

You don't get to upgrade trinkets until level 9, and the game for bot lane is usually decided by then. Stop stressing your poor ADC out, and just buy the item. They're already spooked enough with everyone trying to kill them.

It's also silly to claim you're in gold or plat on different accounts. The vast majority of people here listen to others no matter the league because we all offer different perspectives, but there's something shady about people who claim their posting on a smurf to make what they say seem more legit.

BeatzBoyFTW7/4/2015, 3:13:31 PM2 votes

Support role is where item 2049 is the most viable build so that it won't be wasted on other roles like top & mid, when they have their own AD/AP & Armor/MR to build against their lane opponent. Tank Junglers may also build Sightstone as they please, since Cinderhulk prioritizes over it.

Making the support to buy item 2049 opens more build path such as item 3364 , having to rush other items besides item 2049 is beyond stupidity, unless you're the idiot going item 3089 item 3285 Soraka .

Arcus Diabolus7/5/2015, 3:19:41 AM1 votes

If I had it my way, every fucking player would build a damn sightstone.

Build it or buy wards at every back. That goes for EVERYONE.

Granted, I dont rush sightstone, especially on particularly Leona, but I make sure to have the place warded ALLLLLL the time, not just most of it.

EDIT: Which pisses me off when my ward fades for no more than 30 seconds and my ADC dives and then bitches at me because he got killed from a gank because we didn't have a ward (while he has a unused trinket in his inventory.) But thats a rant for another day.

Lugg7/4/2015, 5:02:26 PM1 votes

Wards = wins. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

ShuffledPancake7/4/2015, 9:45:30 AM1 votes

Yeah i get glory, and my much needed items then i upgrade trinket and spam the shit out of it, fuck the dickheads who say WOW YOU DONT EVEN HAVE SIGHSTONE AT LVL 18 OMGGGGGGG

Icestar11867/5/2015, 5:05:05 AM1 votes

Spellcheck. Please, for the love of whatever deity you may choose to believe in, spellcheck your posts.