Zed is way too over played, can we all finally admit it is because he is very easy to play?

BearExperiment·9/8/2018, 5:13:04 AM·129 votes·24,110 views

We have over 140 champions in the game, but Zed is somehow in every single game. Sure he looks kinda cool, like Shredder from TMNT, but the real reason everybody mains him is because he is incredibly easy to use. Everything is point and click, and his 1 skill shot is fast moving, huge, and is mostly used from point blank range when you point and click ULT onto someone, right click them, and then teleport to safety.

Here is a description of how assassins are supposed to fit in LoL: Assassins specialize in infiltrating enemy lines with their unrivaled mobility to quickly dispatch high-priority targets. Due to their mostly melee nature, Assassins must put them themselves into dangerous positions in order to execute their targets. What is dangerous about Invulnerably teleporting up to a target (without aiming anything), nuking them, and then immediately teleporting to safety?

But Bear, what about the elite plays with all the shadows? Gimmick, totally unnecessary for bursting down high priority targets. I would love to see emphasis on rewarding Zed players who are skilled with using their shadows offensively, but sadly it's just not important. Can be a useful skill once in a blue moon, but hardly essential for becoming an effective nuking machine.

I think we can all finally admit why everyone is a Zed main.

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259 Comments

Gall9/8/2018, 5:17:41 AM44 votes

Being good at Zed can require a high skill level, but being bad at Zed still allows for easy exits out of bad plays while still offering him a high amount of dps without hard to hit skill shots.

Edit: unless your team has a lot of CC, but good CC doesn't start happening until you get in high ranks.

Edit again: this thread about Zed can actually be applied to most high mobile assassins.

5050BS9/8/2018, 5:37:34 AM40 votes

I dont play Zed but when Do I press R and roll my face on the keyboard and get a kill.

Boatwhistle9/8/2018, 5:58:09 AM22 votes

Yeah man I have been with you for a long while now, at least half the time I have been playing league.

Zed is a champion that wins most lanes, whats considered his counters are champions that can at least survive his first ult. If getting so many free lanes against so many other champs wasn't enough he also is a high scaling snow balling champion for 30 minutes of a game. He doesnteven really fall off late game either, his enemies just finally catch up, scaled some armor, and have a bunch of shit to actually be able to deal with his existence.

His passive makes csing very easy so even if you push him under turret it doesn't matter, he also wont mindcause then the jg will see an easy kill because zed. You aren't that much safer under your own turret of course so what ever. HE STARTS LONG SWORD!!! is there another champion that does this??? Most need some on hit to minions and a little sustain for either hp or resources but not zed no. No zed is gonna do just fine with a long sword and three potions giving him effectively a 2.5 wave gold advantage towards getting his first item which will be all he needs to 100 to 0 you. Its because of this if you aren't using the champs that counter him by just being able to survive you will build zonyas like so many champs don't want to do effectively putting 1 of the teams carries behind in mid game. Not only do his abilities have short animations but he can cast them at the same time. So if you have a delay on the one you were hoping would save you or an ally well fuck you.

My complaints aside, has anyone ever honestly been that impressed seeing a Zed go 20/5/4 or something like that in a long game? Has anyone seen a zed do poorly and thought "oh well zed is a skill champ so I cant judge too hard". No you expect most azirs to do poorly, you expect most zeds to come to your lane to steal the kill you have been poking down then proceed to combo away all your cs.

EVEN though Zeds max potential has a bit of mastering and reflexes involved he DOESNT require it in 90% of the situations he kills someone in 3-5 seconds. He will always be harder to play against then to play as well. Wanna say get better well he even has high ban rates in high elos. Even if you ignore that fact also consider if a champion really takes the skill of the best players to fight him with the way his kit is that isn't an argument he is reasonable to play against, in fact its exactly the opposite.

P4ppino9/8/2018, 5:24:28 AM17 votes

Zed is one of the few champions who's kit allows the player to be better with each game, but never truly master the champion. This is what's hard about him. Champions with similar attributes: LeeSin Ryze Thresh Azir Gangplank

Janakin9/8/2018, 10:42:41 AM10 votes

Zed is not an easy to play champion by design. But the new runes made him way easier to play.

Zeromatsu9/8/2018, 7:42:33 AM8 votes

Even Riot admitted they can't buff Zed right now, because it would break regular play. So what does that mean? His current state is already too strong and leaves no space for buffs.

D3fenderr9/8/2018, 10:13:09 AM7 votes

Here is the truth behind why zed is so overplayed:

He's fun to play.

That's basically it. When I play zed it makes me feel like I'm playing some sort of fast paced action game. You just have to worry about nailing that combo, no resource management, no waiting for the perfect time to use your ability. As opposed to an assassin like kassadin LB or alkali. Zed is just fun to play, doesn't bore you, you don't have to sit and wait for the perfect moment to make a play. When playing zed I get a similar feeling as when playing hammerfight :p

IllusionLord3339/8/2018, 3:08:26 PM7 votes

I have a certain disposition against assassins.

I think they make the game overall less fun for many players.

Over the past few months into this meta, my unrest about the game has grown more and more, because of this one class of champions. I am tired of seeing champions like a Zed, Leblanc, Katrina, Yi, etc. They are in nearly every game I play (with by far Zed being the worst offender). I want to play Nexus Blitz (a decent game mode by the way) one day... Oh, it seems now I have to deal with an Ekko, Zed, and Rengar on the enemy team, and my team is mostly squishy... Fun...

Currently, where the game is at assassins are low risk, high reward. They just get some early kills on the weakest link on your team and snowball out of control. Even worse is the fact they can still 100 to 0 you in seconds without a kill, and escape easily with their absurd mobility...

Enough ranting, here is my main point: Assassins are anti-fun for everyone except the player playing the assassin. Does it feel good getting one shot? Of course it doesn’t. I play mainly mages, and I shouldn’t be required to buy a item 3157 Zhonyas in order to survive, and even then the assassin will usually wait until I am out of stasis and kill me anyway (Zhonyas only really works well under tower or in a team fight for me, though it works different for every champion/player). To all Assassin mains out there, does it feel good, knowing the players on the other side are suffering? It is very unsatisfying to die instantly, and it is downright frustrating.

I think overall assassins fundamentally break the game and make it not fun for the players on the receiving end. Most assassins have a low skill floor (like Zed) and a high cap to reward experienced players (I still don’t like Zed though, coming from a mage player the skill shot is very easy and the free last hit is not necessary). Though experience can mean little. A new assassin is no fun to fight, while an experienced one is torture. To conclude, burst should be definitely toned down in the next season (which looks good so far), I should be able to react and try to save myself before my death. Also generally playing assassins shouldn’t result in an easy lane.

Sorry for the long post, hopefully I wasn’t dragging on too much, and apologies to assassin mains. You guys are not mean people for playing assassins, hopefully my argument didn’t push that point across (if it did that wasn’t my intention)!

Boatwhistle9/8/2018, 6:56:09 AM7 votes

I just want to say one more thing. I see zed as a champion that has a lot of flashy looks. Unless you read his abilities and play him a couple games at least you wont understand what he is doing making him look way more complex then he really is. People want to believe he is a skillful champion because the obscene number of people that play him want to believe they are like rivens, lee sins, and azirs doing really cool plays and wrecking people through nothing but skill. Well the reality is most Zed players are olafs and master yis relying on the difficulty of playing against Zed to propel them into an almost unstoppable carry. Yeah there are Zeds and then there are good Zeds. Well guess what there are yis and really good yis, olafs and really good olafs.

Lord Master Meme9/8/2018, 7:07:33 PM6 votes

Why do people who only play aram and bot games have opinions on balance

becausej9/8/2018, 11:12:08 AM6 votes

This is slightly misleading. Zed has a low skill floor so he has no trouble carrying games even if the player isn't really a great zed but he also has a really high skill cap, shown by every high elo zed ever.

Łunatic9/8/2018, 3:21:24 PM5 votes

If u are in low Elo would people really know how to deal with Zed, no because they don't know how to deal with him when he goes into the backline and tries to take out the carry. He gets destroyed pretty easily if u don't know how to play him, like yasuo the second Zed gets cc chained he has no damage output what's so ever. There's also the fact that if Zed is going into the backline to take out the carry, most cases its w into your which makes him vulnerable due to the reason of being less mobile without his w. Yes he is not the hardest to play nor the easiest to pick up, but he has one of the highest skill caps in the game.

Hexs Fortune9/8/2018, 8:29:28 AM5 votes

Zed has copious amounts of personal agency. He can start engages on his terms and often escape as he pleases.

Meep Man9/9/2018, 1:50:39 AM4 votes

People usually miss whats up with Zed. He's not hard to play. In fact, he's one of the most forgiving assassins in the game. He just has a high skill CEILING. His floor is really low, but his ceiling is pretty high.

IllusionLord3339/8/2018, 3:15:07 PM4 votes

True, cc has been my savior this meta, but half my team is usually dead by the time we see the assassin... No matter how much vision we have, we usually get bambozzled (if I spelled that right) and all end up dying. That is also why towers (even if they are ineffective in this meta) are very important, and I play very cautious as well.

Only After 2309/8/2018, 11:37:58 AM3 votes

Honestly, I think Zed would be fine if Electrocute wasn't a more-often-procable thing... Or a thing at all.

Seleena9/8/2018, 2:29:06 PM3 votes

Duskblade is the reason, I never had a problem with zed seasons ago but now he feels braindead.

PaffWasTaken9/9/2018, 5:25:43 AM3 votes

Reminder to everyone : 50% of the rating (at this time being) of this thread are downvotes. Since it is more likely for upvotes to come from a vast roster of players and that downvotes are more than likely being given by concerned persons (in this case, Zed "Mains") This undirectly shows that there's a lot of chances that there is a very high proportion of Zed mains vs General players, thus proving the point of OP declaring that Zed players are way too common.

Srbonator9/8/2018, 9:19:05 AM2 votes

He is really trash once you know how to counter him. Like you pick talon he ults on you, you ult and then you 1 shot him! It's really simple to fight againts him if you know how.

FlameHalbrdOkido9/15/2018, 4:51:34 AM2 votes

Mini Zed Update

The purpose of this update is to increase the difficulty of Zed by raising his skill floor. Assassins are supposed to be high risk high reward. While it is acknowledged that Zed is indeed a difficult champion to master due to his high skill ceiling, currently the skill required to pick him up and dominate is much too low given his inherent advantages and large burst damage output. Zed should deal tons of damage, but currently its too easy for him to get away with doing so at a lower skill lv requirement than other assassins. Additionally Assassins are supposed to have a delay on their dmg and Zed doesn't have that in a meaningful way. Assassins are also supposed to be mostly melee in nature and Zed's W allows him to bypass this guideline a little too easily.

This update also seeks to increase his thematic cohesion as it could be believed that while Zed does a decent job filling his niche it could be taken to 11.

Passive - Shadowed Contempt for the Weak: COOLDOWN: 10 EFFECT RADIUS: 2000/200 Dark Shadows spawn behind enemy champs relative to Zed's location over 0.5 sec marked as an AoE. Every 20 sec the Dark Shadow will update its position. Zed's 2nd basic attack against champions he's hit with an ability within 8 sec while within their Dark Shadow below 25 / 35 / 50%(scaling with lv) maximum health deal 6 / 8 / 10% of target's maximum health as bonus magic damage.

Shadowed Contempt for the Weak can only affect the same target once every few seconds.

Q - the dmg is nerfed a little

W - Living Shadow TARGET RANGE: 475 EFFECT RADIUS: 700 SPEED: 1600 COST: 40 / 35 / 30 / 25 / 20 ENERGY COOLDOWN: 22 / 20 / 18 / 16 / 14 ENERGY RESTORED: 30 / 35 / 40 / 45 / 50 Living Shadow FIRST CAST: Zed's Shadow dashes forward, remaining in place for 5 seconds and being able to mimic Razor Shuriken and Shadow Slash. Zed restores energy whenever a Shadow lands a mimicked ability on the same target he does. This may only happen once per cast ability. Casting at the same time as Razor Shuriken grants 175 bonus range.

SECOND CAST - SHADOW SWAP: Zed and his Shadow blink to their respective locations, swapping places after a 1 sec delay. The range is increased to 1300 If Zed's Shadow is within a Dark Shadow.

E - Shadow Slash: EFFECT RADIUS: 290 ANGLE: 40 PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 35 / 47 / 60 / 70 / 85 (+ 40% bonus AD) CONE BONUS DAMAGE (50% + 40% bonus AD) ACTIVE: Zed and his Shadows slash, dealing physical damage to surrounding enemies dealing bonus damage in a cone in the direction Zed is facing. This does not interrupt Zed's previous orders. Enemies hit a Shadow's Shadow Slash Cone are slowed for 1.5 seconds. Enemies hit by multiple slash cones take no additional damage but instead are slowed by a 50% stronger slow. SLOW:» 20 / 25 / 30 / 35 / 40% Each enemy champion hit by Zed's slash cone reduces Living Shadow's Cooldown by 2 seconds. Only the enemies hit by the cone restore energy.

R - Death Mark TARGET RANGE: 625 EFFECT RADIUS: 300 COOLDOWN: 120 / 90 / 60 FIRST CAST: Zed targets an area on the ground and vanishes for 0.75 seconds during which he goes through the target area if an enemy champion is within. If he passes through them, he marks them, becomes ghosted for 3 seconds, and spawns a Shadow at the cast location which lasts for 6 seconds. After 1 second of his reappearance he can activate Death Mark Shadow.

For the next 3 seconds, the mark stores a percentage of all pre-mitigation physical and magic damage Zed deals to the target, reduced if Death Mark is recast, detonating at the end of the duration to deal physical damage.

PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 100% AD (+ 25 / 40 / 55% of damage dealt, reduced by 15% if Recast) SECOND CAST - DEATH MARK SHADOW: Zed and the Death Mark Shadow blink to their respective locations, swapping places.

the purpose of these changes are to introduce a bit a of delay, positioning and targeting difficulty into Zed's kit.

Ranmiaku9/12/2018, 3:15:53 AM2 votes

I rememeber when zed used to have skill requirements, but now r aa e ignite is a kill, its fucking sad

10 fps9/8/2018, 2:37:39 PM1 votes

So many things in this post is just wrong but you have 28 upvotes. Zed has a small delay until he can teleport back to his shadow and the ONLY ability that is point and click is his ult. If Zed is so easy to play, why don't you first time him in ranked and get to challenger?

If Zed is so OP and easy to play why is his winrate 49.34% and he is ranked at #97?