Can Banshee build out of negatron now?

Durfain·5/19/2018, 12:17:48 AM·54 votes·14,084 views

I see on the PBE Riot is allowing item 3026 to be built out of item 1031 which potentially allows AD champions to sit on it vs other AD champions so why are mages not allowed to sit on item 1057 in hard matchups? I don't think there is the danger we had with the old abyssal sceptre where champions were building it because it provides both offence and defence. item 3102 is a purely defensive item and stat inefficient. Allowing it to build out of item 1057 is logical.

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Salron5/19/2018, 2:03:12 AM17 votes

Fallicious argument

Negatron cloak was a viable component to sit on because it would negate burst champions' ability to 100-0 you in 1 rotation

The same doesn't go for AD champions who can still deal decent damage via autos after blowing their initial rotation

Secondly, GA is not a viable early item(usually ends up being built as 4th or 5th) due to how its effect works Banshees is worth buying as early as 2nd item since its effect doesn't revolve around teamfighting and is a universally useful passive effect

Can you tell me of a single scenario where someone would actually buy an early chain vest to sit on without completing it?

WalkingInACircle5/19/2018, 12:21:29 AM8 votes

But what if building defensive items increases mage surviveability? How will the assassins be entitled to kills?

paisy5/19/2018, 11:50:29 AM3 votes

Then it'd be old item 3001 all over again, that's why they changed it in the first place

Modl Ryden l5/19/2018, 4:31:51 PM2 votes

Well in the past, item 1057 cloak was such a good item at the time because it was a component for very useful items. One player you sit on it just for the magic resist stats, then when a time came for when the CC was too much or your team needed magic resist then you could easily upgrade into item 3105 item 3140 item 3102 the now removed Abyssal Scepter and the old item 3026 . Because it had those build paths in the past, it was what was considered slot efficient. Because of the versatility the item had from stats to build path.

Since then, Riot made Negatron cloak an item almost ubiquitous to tank stats, or at least fully commit to a defensive item once Negatron Cloak is built.

LordGeovanni5/19/2018, 7:40:09 PM1 votes

Banshee's need to be nerfed so that you dont have a full damage item with the same magic resist as tank items. it should either drop to 50 ap on it or 35 magic resist on it in the same vane that item 3139 has 35 magic resist. Banshee's sitting at its current mr means that they shouldnt keep magic resist items at -60 magic resist with sub 400 hp on it those defensive items

Velasan5/19/2018, 11:25:16 PM1 votes

Remember when abyssal used to build out of negatron and was the go to item for dangerous match ups.

Now it doesn't matter, they will just kill you through your defenses lol.

Rocnation985/20/2018, 1:32:06 AM1 votes

Especially since the Leblanc revert, WTF do i do item 1033 doesn't offer shit. I could straight dumpster one in lane but as soon as they back i have to hide under turret cause they will fuck my ass in lane.

Häxel5/20/2018, 4:42:38 PM1 votes

tbh i would much rather prefer that riot would have isntead of buffing the armor itempath that they changed the ad itempath. So item 1029 staying to make it less strong as an early defensiv pick instead of leting it build to a item 1031 but changing the item 1038 to a item 1037 to make it more appealing for Bruisers and Assassins, the maincore users of this item. Cause adcs are not the core beside maybe vayne and kai'sa and i don't think riot should push them to make ga core on them (which they kinda do by leting bf stay and buffing both ad and armor).

Ga was a cheap low ad item and Bf made more as half of its cost. No other bf item, or for aps nlr items, works like this. Normaly the tier 3 ad/ap component stands for a strong expensive item, nlr for mages mostly, bf for adcs mostly. But ironicaly ga has a bf sword in it while deaths dance, which costs in 8.11 as much as a bt has no bf. And dd is even better suited to be a competitor for an adc item as ga, on Fighters you just have Illaoi, Urgot and Lifestealstackers like Fiora maybe build dd and they could still afford to buy the item with a bf as they get enough gold with dominating lane most times.

Beside i know that the new fighter item Spear of Shojin will also be build out of a Bf Sword probably. But it still will be more of a melee carryitem as a standard Bruiser Item and be a quite expensive powerfull item with 65 ad and the effect it gives. Even if Ga gets its cost changed to 2800 Gold and its ad buffed to 45, against the spear, er with 70ad, ie, bt and dd with 80 ad, this is a joke of a bf item. Even ma, mercurials and every lethalaty item gives quite more ad. And i remember how duskblade got used to build out of a ga instead of a caulfields.

flibitydoo5/19/2018, 2:11:35 AM1 votes

man remember a long time ago when Riot straight up nerfed negatron because mages would rush this item first and then "oh I win mid EZ".

The Great Duck5/19/2018, 5:21:11 AM1 votes

I'd like to see Banshee's reverted to its original status as a health + MR defensive item. Resistances only mean so much without the hp to back it up, something squishies could really use.

My Heartshaker5/19/2018, 1:26:29 PM1 votes

The main reason why they nerfed banshee's in the first place was because mages could just sit on negatron knowing they can build banshee's out of it eventually.