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Riot Let's talk Twitch

NiceMontana29·3/12/2015, 4:33:01 AM·39 votes·2,877 views

Riot let's be honest twitch wasn't even that great before his nerfs . Barely anyone picked him and without at least some practice on the timing of stealth you couldn't escape a fight any way . Now the dude takes minion damage and has 6 second to wait before stealth , by the time you stealth either you've escaped or your dead already from pretty much any situation . The fact that in league of mobility his one useful escape maneuver has been turned into a full on initiation is terrible meanwhile his passive and E have both been nerfed the only things which really made twitch separate from other adc's. Now we have kalista with a better E, literally every other stealth champ has better stealth , and a semi useless passive . Can we just get a full rework that explores a different aspect of being a gun wielding sewer rat, twitch is still my favorite champ but I'd have to put him with urgot in terms of usability in solo queue. I'd actually put urgot above because a skilled urgot player is pretty decent top lane . You guys have pretty much completely killed twitch as a solo champion based on performance in Lcs games which in all honesty is a totally different atmosphere.

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Bisaknosp3/12/2015, 9:10:17 AM9 votes

well i've said it before and i'll say it again personally i think the passive and ad nerf were COMPLETELY unnecessary i could live with the q nerf but the rest was overkill his early game is shiet and his late game isnt even that great plus i dont get why kalista does more damage with 6 spears than twitch does with 6 stacks of his passive (not including the true damage over-time, it's shit anyway)

Roiu463/12/2015, 5:11:19 AM8 votes

I'd Like to see twitch get some work done. Waste of Rp for that Gangsta skin I got for him :(.

IceKingChernobog3/12/2015, 6:44:07 AM5 votes

i vote also think he needs a buff or a full kit rework he literally has nothing that makes him unique or make him even worth picking over Jinx Graves ATM

He has stealth, it's honestly more trouble than it's actually worth and almost everyone's stealth is miles better than twitch Evelynn is permanently stealth out of combat , Shaco slightly warps when he stealth, MonkeyKing makes a decoy when he stealth.

His W is a mediocre slow, especially in the league of mobility/gapclosers/assassins. It's not gonna stop the enemy Irelia or Zed from ripping his furry butt a new one

Kalista has a better version of his E that can stack infinitely, and slow

He's really in a bad spot, and i hope riot fixes it

Wandering Spear3/12/2015, 4:57:10 PM3 votes

Nah, I remember a time when twitch went unused in lcs for like a year and a half and was among the lower pick rate champions. No changes to his kit in decades and then he starts seeing lcs play "OMFG SO OP." Before nerfs he was strong but not unable to be dealt with. Now he's a shit pick. I haven't seen a twitch in over 200 games. He just isn't worth it.

meneroth23/12/2015, 11:27:32 AM2 votes

Sort of better stealth. He has one of the longest durations and a decent move/attack speed buff attached to it. The 6 seconds suck, and make it hard to run with, but it a not a bad ability with how much you get from it.

Mouse5343/12/2015, 11:55:41 PM2 votes

I played him before the VU update and people used to flame me for it, calling him weak and me stupid for playing him. Then the VU comes out and he became the fotm, and then I got flamed for jumping on the bandwagon and calling me a sheep. :'( The nerf to his stealth is what really hurt, not the damage nerfs in my opinion. That caused him to lose out on some important decisions, do I use stealth to initiate or to escape. Now his stealth has one purpose, initiation. Now that they are working on a new ward (mandrake ward) which is supposedly designed to nerf early stealth, and they did state that the reason is so they can (hopefully) boost the stealth based champions. We shall a see what happens, but here is hoping.

Ltank1293/12/2015, 9:22:13 PM2 votes

I believe he could use buffs, but he is far from useless. I may not play Twitch personally, but I'm a support main and my ADC main friend loves him. When we really want to win, she grabs Twitch, I grab Braum. The synergy between those two is ridiculous. Twitch stealths and approaches, I jump over and ult. Twitch ults. Double kill.

I agree that his passive is weak compared to newer passives, and his q is terrible for escapes. He needs some loving. Maybe an increase in the duration of his q, or a decrease in the time it takes to enter stealth.

Awoof3/12/2015, 3:06:50 PM2 votes

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Riot let's be honest twitch wasn't even that great before his nerfs .

Yes, he was.

Barely anyone picked him

Wat.

and without at least some practice on the timing of stealth you couldn't escape a fight any way .

Hell yes, you could?

I'd have to put him with urgot in terms of usability in solo queue. I'd actually put urgot above because a skilled urgot player is pretty decent top lane . You guys have pretty much completely killed twitch as a solo champion based on performance in Lcs games which in all honesty is a totally different atmosphere.

That's total bullshit.

Mind you, I agree they overnerfed him, as I hate how useless his venom feels no matter how stacked and the 'screw you, Twitch' that's Kalista's Rend, but you're really putting him way worse before and after nerf than he was/is. Only things I personally wish for are more venom damage on higher stacks (after like 3 or 4) and that Rend just wouldn't be a better version on that cracked bunny... (well, or make Contaminate stay up to it, I guess)

Yfrappefort3/12/2015, 6:18:14 PM1 votes

I think the issue here is that Riot is really having a hard time balancing stealth champions.

Just look at Eve, Twitch, Rengar, Kha'zix and Shaco. All of them got nerfed to some extend in the past for being too strong (some nerfs went too far of course).

Now, they are feeling underwhelming (aside maybe Rengar). Riot hit all of them with the nerf bat because stealth is too problematic.

I don't know what approach they should take, but simply buffing them in most cases won't cut it.

Do you really want to play against a buffed Shaco or Eve? I sure don't. I cringe every time I see them (especially Shaco).

But yeah, they hit Twitch too hard because of stealth for sure.

Xela Syab3/12/2015, 10:38:47 PM1 votes

twitch isnt played much because people dont go boots and pots anymore bot lane...

Windfallen3/13/2015, 2:12:13 AM1 votes

I'm not 100% sure but I feel as though twitch received his most recent ratio/stealth nerfs due to "Jungle twitch" becoming popular for a very short time... which was only really noticeably popular because at the same time that people were figuring out how viable he was as a ranged assassin jungler, he got his VU.

A lot has changed and if the nerfs went through during this season they would seem shallow and uncalled for. He wouldn't suddenly become a top tier jungler and that's kind of the emphasis at the moment. Previous seasons were much more lenient and often required the jungler to PERFORM well. Not outclass others with fast clear speed/sustainability on top of being competent at ganking at all stages of the game. Alas, this is not a season 5 jungle QQ thread.

They made some sense at the time, but even then... He got the nerf bat because he was where Riot didn't say he was supposed to be played. If the ratio/stealth changes were reverted he would have the needed oomph to be a threat in lane.

Stealth isn't allowed to be a good/reliable mechanic unless it's tacked onto an ultimate ability, but I say that stealth should now be considerably easier to play against than it once was.... Counter warding has seen a resurgence with the updated trinkets in lower level play. (For awhile, supports in lower levels didn't want to spend the gold on pink/upgraded trinkets to counter ward. It seemed tedious and unworthy of the gold.... compared to the old way which was buying oracles) This means there should be less QQ from newer/lazier players about getting outplayed with stealth.

If it wasn't clear how to counter stealth before, it damn well is now. Affordable too.

hopadopagopalas3/13/2015, 2:34:02 AM1 votes

I have been a twitch main since season 2. I still play him to this day. i think the changes to his q were reasonable, and at the time i understood the nerfs to his damage. However now it seems like he could use a bit more damage back into his passive. not much even just 1-2 dps. especially since sword of the divine is gone now.(3 hit crit with his ulty were guaranteed kills on at least 2 champs after coming out of q.) i agree that after his nerfs to his q it became alot harder to escape with but its still possible it just requires more skill and better timing.

AmazingGoat3/13/2015, 2:38:34 AM1 votes

They can't buff Twitch when he just dominated Worlds and hasn't been nerfed since. They just can't. That means he isn't going to be that strong in solo queue, but there is no avoiding that.

Trash MammaI3/12/2015, 5:20:36 AM1 votes

What's wrong with him? I still see twitches trash basically everyone and kalista is like permaban tier

Very Hard Engage3/12/2015, 10:07:39 AM1 votes

twitch is all about positioning, you know where you opponents are, or its called "dont be caught at the enemy tower"

twitch is the best late game adc who can pick off a back row champion instantly with 2 steroid abilities and with the help of some crits.

even twitch mains still havent figured out that ruunans works with twitchs ult to deal massive damage to multiple targets.

WolfBV3/12/2015, 3:50:43 PM1 votes

What if they doubled his passive damage?

Potato Doc3/12/2015, 4:58:50 PM1 votes

Twitch lost his ability to be a hyper carry when tiamats became melee only and they reduced damage with multiple opponents hit I remember being among the first (if not the first) to use tiamat on twitch, and then it caught on and got destroyed :/

Nielz3/12/2015, 5:02:44 PM1 votes

Twitch was extremely powerful before the nerfs, so I understand why they nerfed him. His late game is still amazing, but his early game is so weak that it's really hard to reach his late game power spike. Aside from that, he fell out of meta too, and as an adc he simply gets outshined by other ones. In my opinion, they should give him more AD/lvl on his ult (what is it, like, 36 at rank 3? Vayne has 70) and increase the slow on his W. Maybe even lower the delay on his Q and make it unaffected by minions. When I think of Twitch I think of Kog'maw -- very powerful in the right hands and a team that can peel. In soloqueue, you can't always rely on that which allows Twitch to shine. But, yes, he desperately needs some buffs to bring him back to shape. He is definitely the coolest-themed adc and it's such a shame to see him this way. Twitch item 3070

Troy2426213/12/2015, 5:12:33 PM1 votes

His poison passive and Expunge should be straight out better than Kalista's and it's completely outclassed by it. I really don't get why they nerfed it to begin with. Every other nerf, fine, whatever. But that was just overkill.

Widder883/12/2015, 5:28:47 PM1 votes

Twitch needs no rework, he needs a revision of his nerfs. These nerfs were just a mistake. For me twitchs laning phase is too bad, so i would only play him in the jungle. And i actually see a reason to pick him over Evelynn - he can destroy the enemy team in the early game way better than Eve, but it is situational. You need front line mid and top laners like Swain and Pantheon, otherwise you are fucked after the early game, even if you snowball. You need enemys without escapes, otherwise it is difficult to snowball, and without snowballing you are useless. And you need an enemy jungler, who is a bad (counter) ganker. I didn't picked him yet in this season, altough i would really like to.

Iceborn Pippin3/12/2015, 7:08:48 AM

Twitch needs a full blown rework.