Jungle "Season 9" is broken beyond repair

SovereignKing·10/7/2019, 8:00:46 AM·19 votes·11,758 views

What has RIOT done to Jungle???

  • If you carry as a jungle (having more gold than laners), then you lose, because laners have no gold to be self-sustainable and you can't be everywhere.
  • If you fall behind as a jungle (having less gold than laners), then you lose because of inefficient ganking potential (under leveled/ less items)
  • If you have less objectives then the enemy jungle, then you lose by default because buffed enemies (w/ right team comp) steamroll into sustainable lead
  • If you DO manage to grab objectives, then RIOT's broken-ass balancing system nulifies that if the enemy has OP champs that can snipe while under-leveled, having no health or items (aka. JAX, MUNDO, DARIUS, SYLAS, AKALI, YAS, Quianna...blah blah blah broken-ass champs (x130 and counting!!!)
  • If you camp a lane, then you lose because you're putting yourself behind in XP (as well as your teammates), especially if yall can't even get tower

ALSO, roaming is killer for any position if done too much, and that's what jg does 100% of the time is roam, roam, roam, maybe get a few camps along the way, roam, roam , roam, some cs from lanes that you gank for, but nothing really substantial to make a difference.

THE POINT of this is that jungle has recently become increasingly irrelevent as a position. If your teammates do NOT have the upper hand in their lane and lack basic comprehension of how to play LEAGUE OF LEGENDS, then it's GG (usually from the start; especially in solo-que; Low Elo; gaming w/ full-tilts).

You literally have to "spoon feed" your laners (by yourself), take objectives (by yourself,) drop wards (by yourself), coach team and have them NOT listen to your pings, baron calls, or MIAs while ... all the while, you fight an intense urge to snap your PC in half and throw its remains out the nearest window.

..... I think i'm just done with this game.

55 Comments

Craft Zeppelin10/7/2019, 9:19:12 AM9 votes

It is a fact that the current rankings highest players are dominated by jungle mains. So I think you are wrong in so many levels. Especially the "OP champs that can snipe while under-leveled, having no health or items (aka. JAX, MUNDO, DARIUS, SYLAS, AKALI, YAS, Quianna" You literally listed champions with the highest income reliance that needs to get fed to even be moderately decent.

The champions that fit in your description this patch is Nunu Blitzcrank PykeMalphite Ekko

Vlada Cut10/7/2019, 2:22:17 PM7 votes

You know who's the king of irrelevance?

Top lane.

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PhearBunny10/7/2019, 10:29:40 AM6 votes

Ive actually stopped playing Nocturne as a jungler for the reason that Jungling is awful, and requires alot of assistance from laners. Assistance that a Nocturne Top, is EXTREMELY good at providing. The nature of his kit, permanently hard shoves the lane, giving you constant freedom to assist in Scuttle skirmishes, mid lane collapses, assisting your jungler if hes being invaded, or invading, and runs into trouble. (Especially easy to protect your jungler once you hit lvl6 and can just ult right to him).

Nocturne also is a EXTREMELY strong laner in the lane phase. His drawback being that he isnt a traditional meta top lane role, which can potentially break your team comp and make it hard to win late game. But, i rarely run into that problem.

Chad Thresh10/7/2019, 10:43:49 AM5 votes

(PLEASE READ MY ENTIRE COMMENT BEFORE UP/DOWNVOTING) I honestly think jungle has been the most balanced it has ever been. Jungle just has way too much influence on lanes. Out of the last 40 games, I've played, I've lost 16 games, and of those 16 games, 13 of the games have had a huge deal to do with one of these 3 things that the jungler does. 1. Being unable to carry, despite being super fed and taking kills from laners. 2. Being unwilling to gank and permaflaming. 3. Flat out getting outjungled and proceeds to soft int. It would be extremely ignorant to say that I could do nothing in all of those games because I absolutely could, it's just a general pattern that I am noticing in my games, that whenever my jungler is losing, I lose a lot more games. In seasons 6 and 7, Jungle was absolutely bonkers, and only getting toned down slightly in season 8 with slight xp nerfs. Also, I should probably post this from my alt since its probably going to get a ton of downvotes

  • If you carry as a jungle (having more gold than laners), then you lose, because laners have no gold to be self-sustainable and you can't be everywhere.

With proper pathing, all of this is easily avoided. In the games that i do win, even if the jungler has a low % kill participation (i.e ganks, skirmishes and teamfights) is still on par if not higher level that the adc. Even with just doing proper objective control (which i have a hard time believing you do, since you end some of your games with blue and warding trinket, and the most control wards ive seen you buy is 3, with some games as low as none

  • If you fall behind as a jungle (having less gold than laners), then you lose because of inefficient ganking potential (under leveled/ less items)

Duh. If you path improperly, then you are obviously going to fall behind, and thats what is supposed to happen, so that you cant just walk into your jungle and farm back up to become as strong as laners, despite being a few kills behind.

  • If you have less objectives then the enemy jungle, then you lose by default because buffed enemies (w/ right team comp) steamroll into sustainable lead
  • If you DO manage to grab objectives, then RIOT's broken-ass balancing system nulifies that if the enemy has OP champs that can snipe while under-leveled, having no health or items (aka. JAX, MUNDO, DARIUS, SYLAS, AKALI, YAS, Quianna...blah blah blah broken-ass champs (x130 and counting!!!)

Again, building a lead is part of punishing you for improper pathing and objective control, if you do all of that properly, you can win with any champ and any team comp. And in terms of balance being a problem. You can play literally anything, and if you do it well enough, you can climb to at least plat with it, ask pretty much any coach and they will give you the same answer.

  • If you camp a lane, then you lose because you're putting yourself behind in XP (as well as your teammates), especially if yall can't even get tower

If you cant build a lead while camping a lane, youre doing it wrong in terms of pathing, because camping a lane as a jungler does not mean giving up xp, if anything it should give you more xp because you also get xp off of killing minions, and should give you even more gold if you get platings. In terms of putting behind your teammates, not so much, because if your ganks are successful, the enemy needs to reset and back off the next 2 or even 3 waves, making the xp you "steal" not matter very much.

ALSO, roaming is killer for any position if done too much, and that's what jg does 100% of the time is roam, roam, roam, maybe get a few camps along the way, roam, roam , roam, some cs from lanes that you gank for, but nothing really substantial to make a difference.

Roaming without losing XP is 100% doable. If you, again, path properly in your jungle then you should have no problem staying on par with your bot lane in terms of total XP. For example, if a support roams, most of the time they make sure all enemy minions are dead so that the window that they do leave lane, they lose no XP

THE POINT of this is that jungle has recently become increasingly irrelevent as a position. If your teammates do NOT have the upper hand in their lane and lack basic comprehension of how to play LEAGUE OF LEGENDS, then it's GG (usually from the start; especially in solo-que; Low Elo; gaming w/ full-tilts).

Jungle is becoming more and more balanced, but that doesn't mean theres no room for good pathing and ganking, because thats what makes the difference between a good and a bad jungler. And people tilt in all elos, from challenger to iron, nobody is 100% tilt proof.

You literally have to "spoon feed" your laners (by yourself), take objectives (by yourself,) drop wards (by yourself), coach team and have them NOT listen to your pings, baron calls, or MIAs while ... all the while, you fight an intense urge to snap your PC in half and throw its remains out the nearest window.

A junglers play style is literally to help their teammates win lanes. A lack of understanding of how waves and priority is how successful good junglers make sure their teammates are there to contest an objective, and if you feel you wanna destroy your pc when you play league, League probably isn't for you, and you should probably find another interest than videogames

Edit 1: Edited for easier understanding in first statement

LightswornLance10/7/2019, 2:28:27 PM5 votes

Sylas OP 40% winrate XDDDDDDD ?

Hi im 1210/7/2019, 1:37:37 PM4 votes

jungle is actually quite diverse right now, there are tank junglers that are good, ap junglers, assassin junglers, farm junglers and the occasional bruiser. the problem is that now more than ever you HAVE to pick a meta jungler, well you don't have to but if you don't you'll experience mental boom. the difference between the best junglers and the others is just so massive.

@OP build red smite, don't build zzrot, build trinity, ignore dragons, take ignite instead of ghost, tabis / mercs every game. if you follow these it will easily get you to plat at least.

Smackledorb10/7/2019, 9:16:10 AM3 votes

i agree it has never felt this bad to jungle :(

Starcraft243ver10/7/2019, 11:32:48 AM3 votes

When I want to climb accounts I play either jungle or mid, so I think you are totaly wrong.

These two roles have the best influence radius in the game.

The thigh guy10/7/2019, 2:49:22 PM3 votes

That’s what happens when riot guts our late game (to stop our early game?????) then, that failed to stop early ganks so they gut our early exp WITHOUT UNDOING THE PREVIOUS NERF THAT WASNT NEEDED.

5050BS10/8/2019, 1:59:13 AM2 votes

Jungle is THE Role right now.

Better Jungler wins

IronyAndSublime10/7/2019, 4:19:34 PM1 votes

Welcome to the club of irrelevant lanes.

FalconPawwwwnch10/8/2019, 1:51:05 AM1 votes

Jungle should NOT have as much influence on the lanes

The laning phase should matter and the jungle being able to influence every lane repeatedly was cancer to the game because it encouraged passive laning

KSLG10/7/2019, 12:28:44 PM1 votes

That's why I've been playing more ADC recently, as I feel like there is more weight to playing someone who can scale great damage and can semi-carry the game without playing a Hyper Carry like Kindred Kindred or Master Yi MasterYi . I would like some buffs to the role like maybe better jungle items like a jungle item for Assassin's that has Armor Penetration.