PSA consider your team before locking a greedy champ pick in ranked

JESUSSAYSNO·8/9/2016, 2:13:08 PM·3 votes·699 views

Title.

Teemo, Shaco, Nasus, Singed, Tryndamere, toplane splitpush Jax, any adc top, low utility supports, farm heavy junglers, high skill cap champs you haven't mastered, etc.

Consider your team before picking them. Many of these champions offer little utility and require a metric ton of team support to work propperly in soloque. It's outright shitty to put your team in that kinda shitty scenario without their okay. Many times, these picks are not what any teamcomp needs, and really just shouldn't be played if you want to win. If you dont care about winning, go play normals, but don't be surprised if I dodge because of the pick/s.

12 Comments

Naenia8/9/2016, 2:15:33 PM2 votes

I understand where you're coming from in wanting to win, but at the same time, you can't make someone pick a champ you want them to play. It just doesn't work like that. Plus, most people play who they're comfortable and perform well with.

Athenes Lulu8/9/2016, 2:22:04 PM2 votes

I would rather have someone play who they're comfortable with instead of picking something just to match the team comp.

Usually when people do the latter they feed off the face of earth because they don't know how to play said champion.

Of course there's a fine line in between bad comps and picking whatever is comfortable, but this rule doesn't always apply and shouldn't be.

Swiftstrike48/9/2016, 4:09:45 PM1 votes

You are better off having a player pick the champion they are best with, rather than picking a champion to match a team comp. Players that pick champions to match a comp probably aren't that good or won't climb because being mediocre with a dozen champions is not the same as being good with a few.

This applies especially applies to the Elo you are in (Silver, Bronze). Even in gold, you should still be playing the champion you are best with and not trying to make a specific comp.

A lot of games do not need to evolve into a "team fight" phase. Despite popular belief, grouping can actually lose the game if specific players/roles are behind. If my ADC is feeding their ass off, the last thing I want to do is group and put the nail in the coffin in the game by teamfighting as my ADC deals no damage.

And guess what? Most of the time low Elo games a player gets crazy fed from the bottom lane.

A lot of the times skirmishing, split-pushing, playing around objectives, and simply sieging, is more effective than grouping for a team fight. Comps don't even really matter until you get into probably high platinum and diamond. Champions largely don't matter at all in low Elo.

Besides, most of those players know how to play around specific champions. They understand concepts such as split-pushing.

I noticed that lower Elo players always want to group and teamfight, but most of them suck at team fighting. They hate it when people try other strategies to win games.

Recently, I played a normal game to warm up for ranked. I was Nasus and we were winning by just split-pushing. My ADC and my APC were both behind but they could wave clear.

The enemy had a Kayle Janna Jayce and a KogMaw.

So two hyper carries and enough saves to prolong any fight. My mid laner kept asking to group. Over and over again. I had taken all the tier one and tier 2 towers while they skirmished, wave cleared, and disengaged.

I finally agreed to group. Lost two team fights back to back. Got annihilated. Which gave them baron after the first teamfight and after the second one they pushed and ended.

The person that requested we group the whole game was Bronze 3 and in the post game lobby our opponents asked why our team grouped. I should have just trusted my own judgement, but he/she was complaining almost since the 20 minute mark. I just entered the game to warm up for ranked, so I didn't mind satisfying their demand to stop him/her from requesting it every 3 minutes.

Our opponents recognized that by split-pushing, we were winning the game through attrition. Two of my opponents were really baffled why we suddenly changed tactics and grouped. They were literally trying to get us to group the whole game so that we would fight on their terms.

Either way, that's just one rather extreme anecdote, but figuring out if your team should or should not group is how you get better as a player. The answer is not always as simple as "let's group and win."

Amelie8/9/2016, 4:18:25 PM1 votes

I feel like this has been downvoted because people haven't experienced what OP is talking about.

Most people are able to play multiple champs, very much CAN play something better for the composition, but simply choose a selfish, CC-less champion that doesn't work with the rest of the team.

This can seriously make or break games.

Sure, people can play what they ""want"" to play. But in ranked it's supposed to be more serious - people should be trying to win. You generally don't win by ignoring your team composition.

I've had so many games where people play their selfish champions, lose lane, lose teamfights, then spam for surrender votes with a bad attitude. Then they complain about the team composition, or just plain say "we can't win".

And no, people don't always pick champions that they're comfortable/successful with, even in ranked. It baffles me.