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Riot what did u do to Garen on PBE?

brickyorchid10·9/1/2019, 10:04:50 AM·25 votes·15,226 views

Let me start off by saying that i am a Garen main.I mostly play garen top in my ranked games. Ok so...i was that they wanted to make his e an on-hit ability that gets stronger with attack speed. But then i saw that his w max stacks has been lowered and his vilain passive has been removed. So i was like:"Ok so his e shoud be rly op"...And it was i was countless videos of Garen winning a 1v3 or a 2v5 with just 1 e. And i said in my mind:"They can't let that out of PBE" But now they removed the on-hit effect on his e so now the only thing new about him is the attack speed scaling. This is just stupid.So as a bruiser i shoud take AS items that would make me squishy just so my e does 100-200 bonus dmg. It's just a plain stupid idea. So please Riot just solve his real problem:He can be outplayed and kited like hell.By adding a lot of dmg on his e won't solve a thing.

So TL;DR:Riot just don't do it.It is stupid

49 Comments

Dynikus9/1/2019, 10:57:12 AM19 votes

He can be outplayed and kited like hell

That's intended, yes. If he couldn't be, what would his main weakness be?

Judah Bot9/1/2019, 3:43:54 PM10 votes

And if they REALLY wanted to give Garen better scaling on E, then let it scale with AD - A stat that Garen actually wants to build, but often foregoes for HP (which he scales better with, currently). (I don't mean just nudge the AD scaling on E a percent or two, although that would be fine. They're giving E more spins with AS. So, instead, give it more spins with bonus AD. That would be so much better.)

Judah Bot9/1/2019, 3:40:12 PM8 votes

OP point is: the AS scaling doesn't even make up for the removal of Villain Mechanic from Garen power budget. It certainly doesn't warrant total W nerfs on W active AND W passive. Villain mechanic was an enormous part of Garen power budget. The AS scaling, as some of you pointed out, is OPTIONAL at best. There just aren't AS items that Garen wants to build, unless TF. It's difficult for Garen to safely lane while building attack speed.

But EVEN if the AS scalings are considered a buff, that buff couldn't possibly be the equivalent of Garen entire Villain Mechanic PLUS cutting his W ability (really his best ability) in half.

Garen on PBE currently must be considered a net nerf. He wasn't exactly a strong champion to begin with...

Divin1ty9/1/2019, 10:30:10 AM4 votes

This is just stupid.So as a bruiser i shoud take AS items that would make me squishy just so my e does 100-200 bonus dmg.

A lot of Bruisers have very good AD Scalings. Does that prevent you from not going full AD and actually buy Resistances (yes, they are a meme, thanks to Void Staff and M Pen, but let's pretend).

Lrrr Omicronian9/4/2019, 11:51:01 PM3 votes

Leave Garen alone.

wolvius9/1/2019, 11:39:00 PM3 votes

There are some notable improvements, his passive is stronger scaling per level instead of at 11. More early game ticks in E means less missed minions and overall smoother feel. Read somewhere that his E is now coded to be able to apply multiple stacks of conqueror, I'm guessing per tick which means don't have to go pred/grasp/phase rush as only options.

His E is better in lane it might actually be worth putting points into because the spins aint brickwalled behind levels.

Star PlatinumELO9/1/2019, 6:17:02 PM2 votes

Garen is getting changes to his passive which makes it scale better, and is also getting more attack speed per level, which just makes his E feel like it does late game earlier, the villain passives removal comes with the change to his ult ALWAYS dealing true damage. Less defences from the W comes with the tradeoff of his e hitting harder in the mid game, which in turn means you can go for a tank item in place of a second damage item. the added AS scaling is probably there just for people to fuck around with, much like trynd's to this day AP ratios.

Moody P9/1/2019, 11:03:03 AM2 votes

buying attack speed items won't make you squishy with how much defense you get out of items like phantom dancer and DD

Mcsquzzy9/2/2019, 4:58:58 AM2 votes

Someone pointed out and did the math on another post, the result of his e changes, if AS per level applies is that new e is stronger since it stars at 8 and moves to 10 at max level with no attack speed built. So it's literally the same with another build option to his kit.

Kiwi Lemonade9/2/2019, 1:00:32 PM2 votes

It is a little disappointing, I don't play top often and when I get filled as it I usually play Garen, and do quite well. His weakness is kiting and his strength is tankiness and ease-to-play. But scaling with Attack Speed on his E makes no sense, in how the ability looks, feels, his champion lore, and his bruiser status. He was fine where he was, an easy champion that already received a rework... I'm surprised they spent even a second of time on it instead of the fiddle/voli reworks, or various other reworks needed.

The people who liked Garen liked him as is, those people won't play him and I doubt any newcomers will either - why build a slow, attack speed reliant champion when Udyr and Master Yi accomplish the same yet a thousand times better. Not to mention remove on-hits just about killed him.

You gutted a fair-and-balanced champion, tore open his tanky elements, and gave him scaling that make no sense for a champion of his nature. Which, in all honesty I do not believe needed any changes at all. His winrate is fine, his player base is fine, and he is (Was) a great champion for newbies to top lane. Oh well, all in the name of keeping the game with a rework every month "fresh" since it wasn't already.

Kegan Arto9/2/2019, 2:16:35 PM1 votes

honestly I think his E with the on-hit effect at 50% damage was a bit busted simply because of how absurdly fast his E can tick but I don't think they should have fully removed it, but instead nerf it a bit.

Instead of doing 50% of on-hit effects every single tick maybe change it to 33% so instead of half damage it's a third damage, but fully removing it was the wrong way to go.

Summoner SpeII9/2/2019, 1:38:16 AM1 votes

as someone who plays garen in high elo (around masters elo) i feel like garen is a worthless champion that literally loses all match ups top except irelia, who he beats with ease. Even a good riven absolutely shits on garen to the point where he can't play, and im talking about masters+ riven, not bad riven mains in diamond or lower, and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOI2ZQl3ibk this video explains that garen has never seen play competitively, if u want garen to be viable in pro play he needs these buffs badly to even be considered as a bottom tier pick for pro scene

Literal IRL Tree9/2/2019, 9:10:34 PM1 votes

tri force alone would give you max spins that you would get (lvl 16) what are the boards lmao

JackMcCarry9/2/2019, 5:50:33 AM1 votes

Didnt his old E have crit scaling? It's more for niche builds, also, witts end and trinity might be good options.

BlackManTopLane9/2/2019, 12:16:57 PM1 votes

If it goes live.better go trinity to make somethig out of it atleast

hazerddex9/1/2019, 4:27:25 PM1 votes

yes garen needs less tank as it is right now he can literally walk out of 1v5 un harmed. due to having a self healing ability, and being able to reduce cc on himself while at the same time allowed to have a speed boost and deal true damage.

Romans VI XXIII9/1/2019, 8:51:53 PM1 votes

They are literally 100% buffing E.

Current E and PBE E deal near identical damage at all stages of the game with no items, or with identical AD. With PBE E doing slightly more.

Then when you start adding in AS PBE E deals far more damage.

item 3078 alone adds 2 more spins to E, AND it's very strong with Current Garen, let alone PBE garen.

planters9/1/2019, 9:55:55 PM1 votes

So if you look at all of the changes riot is doing to Garen you'll quickly realize that they are massively buffing his early game by just giving him more raw damage. The part where his E is losing damage in SOME cases does not change the fact that he is getting a %HP true damage execute for his ult. His level 6 is going to be disgusting because it means he'll have a garen-teed chance of killing literally anyone on the map.

Bârd9/1/2019, 10:42:38 PM1 votes

It's not much of a rework anymore, tbh, but it's still a net positive.

On-hit Garen might be dead now, but don't forget that Crit Garen is still a thing, and more terrifying than ever.

item 3078 item 3047 item 3031 item 3087 item 3813 item 3065 I'm going in coach.