As a Top Laner, I am having a ton more success since the patch. Ty Riot.

Bladeleaf·5/19/2018, 10:56:32 PM·27 votes·7,524 views

There are two major things making top an unpopular role, Lack of Game Impact and Jungler Oppression.

Thank you riot for taking a real dig at the second because the -Gank 4 times in a row at level 3- strategy was entirely too successful.

There was no real consequence for the jungler because of long camp respawn timers and catch up experience. In the gank itself they show up to 2v1 you with one of them being a level higher than you.

Not to mention that at level 3 you are relying entirely on trinket provided vision to check whether or not a jungler is repeat ganking you.

I really can't stand all the crying from Jungler's not getting their fucking rocks off picking on a single lane. Sorry that shit was super unhealthy and I am sorry you can't have as much fun at my expense.

41 Comments

Frontline Fury5/19/2018, 11:04:41 PM20 votes

Yeah, it’s kind of funny how the junglers start flooding the boards about the scuttler changes forcing them to actually make risky decisions in the early game. Never mind that we top laners have been living with this for over a year - every laner has to put themselves in danger to see success in lane.

Junglers have to play a little smart now. I think that’s the right way to go.

PhearBunny5/20/2018, 1:13:02 AM10 votes

Honestly, lvl 3 ganks weren't too successful. They were too successful vs top laners who don't understand jungle routes and their danger windows. If you don't see a lvl3 gank coming, you did something wrong. If you weren't controlling the wave to crash on your tower when enemy jungler is top side, you weren't thinking ahead.

But, you guys are a lot safer now, and I'm cool with that. Enjoy. I think its good you can focus more on your 1v1, rather than lane control, and jungle routes.

KZ Engel5/20/2018, 3:06:05 AM8 votes

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I really can't stand all the crying from Jungler's not getting their fucking rocks off picking on a single lane

it's less about that than the fact that only 2 junglers are viable and all junglers being highly reliant on lane priority (and praying that laners even have eyes).. something that shouldn't even happen in casual play

PhearBunny5/20/2018, 1:22:50 AM8 votes

dawg the change blows. your jungler is either overwhelming or non existent with no way to get in the game, through no fault of his own.

They should have just increased the health of every jungle camp(and minorly reduced camp damage). So that junglers took longer to clear, allowing mid and top laners to hit lvl 3 at roughly the same time.

0 Hogapu5/20/2018, 11:49:25 AM5 votes

I really can't stand all the crying from Jungler's not getting their fucking rocks off picking on a single lane.

God I love you

BestPudgeNA5/20/2018, 4:44:08 PM4 votes

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There are two major things making top an unpopular role, Lack of Game Impact and Jungler Oppression.

Top is the second most popular role and now in 8.10 Jungle is even less popular then support. WTF are you even talking about?

Sire Hippington5/20/2018, 11:16:40 AM3 votes

Lowering jungle xp in the early and preventing the min3 gank fiesta was a great thing. However, i totally support the junglers in thier complaints about the scuttle changes, it turns the jungle itno a rather binary snowball and basically restricts the champion pool to strong early clears/duels.

Putting so much emphasis on scuttlers was not needed in order to fix the opressive early jungle and it hurts the game.

HaIlMonitor5/20/2018, 1:54:03 AM3 votes

Now they sit mid, so yeah, I want your oppression to come back.

Alex h87215/20/2018, 1:19:49 AM3 votes

In general the change has been good, adds more agency for all laners and jungle, for jg its not cookie cutter routes into gank or full clears but they have to think more about what theyll do and where the lanes are. Laners it adds more reason to interact in the river, more opportunities to gain xp/gold and map control.

DoktorKaiser5/20/2018, 5:01:06 PM2 votes

While the scuttle changes are one of the worst I have ever seen in the history of this game, I still agree that top is a tad bit more fun. Except for when you are against Fiora, Darius, Trynd or Yasuo and their lovely conqueror...

Anime Fizz5/20/2018, 2:13:30 AM2 votes

Dont worry they cried so much that riot is gonna buff the jungle again, enjoy ur 1 patch of top lane being not opressed to death by junglers.

VICHEL CHAOS5/20/2018, 11:12:51 PM1 votes

Don't worry, I will powerfarm without ganking then tax the hell out of your lane smiting cannon minions to make up for my experience :)

Noor Sakata5/20/2018, 3:03:35 AM1 votes

Mid lane too lol , especially those LeeSin Nidalee Evelynn mains , and those Flash E Warwick

Hyquiem5/20/2018, 5:12:52 AM1 votes

No doubt I played Fiora with conqueror and I had a great lane my riven May be horrible but it’s fun the role is fking fun which is why it stands out sometimes that I don’t have to focus on so many things that I do in mid lane. The factor of playing ad that can do true damage is also fun. This is what they should do to mid and jungle. Not adc since it’s a fun or not fun role sometimes,

Salson5/20/2018, 7:51:41 AM1 votes

Same, the game is actually fun now. You still win/lose mostly based on your botlane, but hopefully they fix that in a couple of patches as well.

DW Diana5/20/2018, 7:55:38 AM1 votes

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There are two major things making top an unpopular role, Lack of Game Impact and Jungler Oppression.

Thank you riot for taking a real dig at the second because the -Gank 4 times in a row at level 3- strategy was entirely too successful.

There was no real consequence for the jungler because of long camp respawn timers and catch up experience. In the gank itself they show up to 2v1 you with one of them being a level higher than you.

Not to mention that at level 3 you are relying entirely on trinket provided vision to check whether or not a jungler is repeat ganking you.

I really can't stand all the crying from Jungler's not getting their fucking rocks off picking on a single lane. Sorry that shit was super unhealthy and I am sorry you can't have as much fun at my expense.

I also don't mind the changes from a midlane or JUNGLE perspective. Midlane roaming level 2 has got me 2 first bloods since the change while also helping my jungler, and when I'm jungle, if my laners don't have lane priority I just invade and take away everything else. The only BIG downside I've discovered is when the enemy support roams more then my own and I effectively get shut out of half my jungle by the support and their jungler, but then it's just bad for my bot lane as I get to take all of the top side instead while they get perma ganked.

OtterlyLost5/20/2018, 8:51:01 AM1 votes

As an ADC player, I have to say it is nice not to have the jungler in my lane constantly. :/ the only time it was an issue was when I didn't ban Xin. It finally feels like I personally have agency over my own lane now and not just having to wait on baited breath to find out how good or bad the enemy jungler is. If they buff the jungle next patch, I sincerely hope it isn't much. I want to be able to actually lane and feel like I'm being out played by the enemy botlane.

Jungle has been oppressive to more lanes than just top and it's been an ongoing, growing problem for years that just culminated horrendously this year.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku5/20/2018, 1:24:56 PM1 votes

I play both role, im more a toplaner ofc... my pov :

Top : honestly not much to add than op.
jungle : i really hated previous patches. As jungler if you don't go like buff > wolf > buff then gank/cover top it was same as trolling. With a weak early pick its was all but fun. All complain about op sh*t in jungle like Graves, Trundle... but they were already OP in previous patch (look solo Q stat or MSI).

Carry power of jungle is closer than other role, and its better like this. Riot will adjust some thing in next patches for the role. now time to nerf support role.