Morgana is a very problematic champion

NumberOneBaller·12/9/2019, 2:52:53 AM·8 votes·1,854 views

I'm surprised that a 40% ban rate champion that hardcounters several other champions as well never being out of meta, is never discussed.

Her rework was an excellent opportunity to balance out her kit by putting less power in her Q and E and more into her other abilities. Morgana's E is easily one of the most broken abilities in the game when used right, and can remove so many champions from relevancy just with a point and click.

This champion is also absolutely awful to play against on the same level as Akali Heimerdinger Yasuo

I really don't understand why Morgana wasn't properly reworked by giving her kit room for skill expression instead of leaving her completely braindead and unfun to play as and against.

20 Comments

MiracleMorg9412/9/2019, 3:14:42 AM14 votes

She wasn't reworked because they liked her kit as it was. It's simple yet complicated, has damage, crowd control, utility. She's not like all the overloaded shit these days and I'm glad they barely touched her.

Sure she can be frustrating, but of course ANY counter to your favorite champion will be frustrating. Doesn't mean she/he needs changed/nerfed, etc.

Her E is strong but it's gated by long CD costs. Perfect tradeoff. Bait it out just like any other problematic spell- Zyra's E, Lulu's whimsy, and so on then jump on her. Same for her Q as well.

She's perfectly fine, actually.

The thigh guy12/9/2019, 4:34:59 AM5 votes

Morgana’s banrate is only so high because she is the ONLY support that counters riots current flavor of the month.

Krys Star12/9/2019, 4:40:52 AM3 votes

Her ban rate is so high because people want to have fun, and she denies that. She's just unfun to play against as certain champions, not necessarily op, but you can always pick a burst champion like Nautilus who will eat through her shield in one Q and laugh in her face as he continues to CC her or her Black Shielded target to death.

ZephyrDrake12/9/2019, 5:28:50 AM3 votes

Morgana is one of the most well balanced champions in the game. She is also one of the old champions whose kit still holds up to this day. Her skills are impactful but also gated by pretty big CDs even with max CDR. She is a simple champion whose kit also has depth. You will know if you are playing against a good morgana or against a bad one. Just because counters certain types of champions/team compositions doesn't mean she has to be changed.

Illabethe12/9/2019, 4:18:47 AM3 votes

Sticks and Stones.

Morgana is actually barely pulling 50% in the current "meta"

Cry more about spell shield when Sivir and Nocturne also have one.

Not to mention it has an insane cooldown, and the shield is too small to take more than 1 hit from a spell now.

boricCentaur112/9/2019, 3:42:53 AM3 votes

Riot should nerf support and buff mid. Like lower the q duration but increased the scaling and increase the cooldown on the spell shield buff, remove the missing hp from the w buff increase its damage on champions only.

Those are the changes I personally want to see.

HP Crookshanks12/9/2019, 3:20:30 AM2 votes

I agree she needs a power shift. (from Q/E to passive/W)

They didn't rework her kit because she isn't a flashy assassin.

StormBladeMaster12/9/2019, 8:37:05 AM1 votes

The problem isn't Morgana herself. I think Morgana is a good champion, she one of the only champ that isn't overloaded and her black shield is needed in this meta where one CC and with all the dmg, you can die easily.

But ofc, if you play Leona, Thresh, Nautilus against her, you are not going to like it. The problem would be counterplay. Yes Morgana can make the horrible opressive Leona useless and that why we like her. Because what can you really do vs Leona besides staying under turret ? Her combo is a death sentence. Morgana is one of the only supports that can resist to Leona because her black shield make the red hair kit useless since she won't CC anymore.

Especially when your adc isn't good. You can't save a bad Jhin or a bad Vayne from a Leona combo with a simple shield. You need to nullify thoses CC.

That why i like Morgana. Most of the time, she will be the only support that you can pick to save your adc from these champs who can hard engage your adc. When your adc don't know how to position, how to play safe... Why should i pick Karma or Janna ? I know it's won't be enough to save him. If i can have a special shield that can save him from any engage, then it's will be easier to not lose the lane.

But when she is paired with champs like MasterYi or Katarina, yes she becomes a problem because she erases the weaknesses of these champs. Yi may be weak but if you can't CC him, you can't beat him. With Morgana shield, he become a monster no matter how much CC your team have.

The same thing goes on for Katarina but the only difference would be that Katarina needs skills and is harder to play (sorry for Yi mains but honestly timing Q is not that hard). Also Katarina kit don't allow her to be untargetable like Yi Q. So Yi can dogde a lot of spells before the blackshield stop them. This duo reduce Yi counterplay to "not feed him" and "destroy him in early in his jungle" which isn't simple to do because not feeding a champ that is really fast at killing you while being impossible to CC is almost impossible and destroying him in early mean that your jungler must have a good early champ for stomping him and you also need to have advantages in lanes because if top lane isn't pushed, if mid isn't pushed or if bot isn't pushed, then you can invade Yi but his teammates are likely to react and kill your jungler.

I think Morgana depends on the situation. Sometimes she can really be oppressing because yes, being countered by a Morgana isn't fun at all, watching a Yi Morgana combo destroying your team isn't fun too but don't forget that playing vs champs like Nautilus Leona Thresh isn't fun too and nobody likes to be engaged at lvl 3 and die because Leona just landed a E, a Q and a W with her adc barely following her.

Nobody likes to be countered to the point of being useless. It's the same thing when you play Irelia vs Poppy on top and she can makes the entire Irelia kit useless being blocking a Q reset with her W. Or when you play Camille and you lane vs Vladimir who can W your E.

Your problem isn't Morgana, it's counterpicks. Some champs beat some others without doing a lot of efforts. Poppy for example. You time your W correctly and Irelia is dead because Irelia is useless if she can't perma dash with her Q. It's doesn't require a lot of skill to do.

Morgana is in the same case. You press E on your adc and Leona is useless. Then you CC her with your cage and you walk away... It's doesn't need a lot of efforts.

Counterpicks are horrible ofc, but this problem will only grow bigger every years because more champs mean more spells and more spells mean more chances to have something that make a champ useless.

2Charmnot2Charm12/9/2019, 3:24:48 AM1 votes

Literally only banning her for the E. I don't care that she is easy to stomp in lane, her E after laning pisses me off to no end.

Metal Janna12/9/2019, 4:24:41 AM1 votes

She doesn't even hard counter anyone. She's got the tools to counter any champion with an important spell that they must land, but because she's good against such a wide variety of champs she is kept at a beatable level by Riot's 50% WR target, never becoming too good even against the champs she counters. Which is exactly how it should be. Counters should be a thing... but not hard counters. Hard counters should be kept to a bare minimum so that games are never won or lost in champion select.

The only thing that's problematic about Morgana is the fact that there's only one of her. If you want to "nope" the enemy's plays and keep your ADC alive you're at the mercy of the opponent to not pick a hook support because there aren't enough bans for them all. But if the opponent wants to play a hook support and "nope" your protection they only need to ban one champ: Morgana. Either there should be more supports with spellshields or banning one hook support should ban all of them. Not that these fuckers Alistar Malphite Rakan Leona wouldn't just fill the void and CC lock your carry to death no matter what you do anyway.

vyoda12/9/2019, 4:34:39 AM1 votes

Her E is balanced; long CD, and can easily be popped by magic damage (say an Ahri Q) before you attempt to land the CC

Her Q is frustrating to play against but it moves much slower than a Blitz Q, and imo is much less cancerous than Senna 's AOE root