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Remember when i said Senna ADC should be nerfed because it will be broken despite what Riot says?

Eternal Torment·11/30/2019, 9:56:04 AM·37 votes·13,059 views

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/jblPzt69-senna-is-not-a-support-no-matter-what-riot-says

Yeah well, would you look at that

https://lolalytics.com/lol/senna/?lane=bottom

https://champion.gg/champion/Senna/ADC

Her ADC winrate is between 52 - 54%, skyrocketing to almost 60% if you look at the Top Senna Players' average.

Statistics suggest she has THE strongest earlygame as an ADC combined with the SAFEST.

I repeat what I said back then, her sustain and utility is too strong for someone who is meant to be a pyke with tits copypasta. Her Heal should apply to herself on more strict conditions, such as hitting both an ally AND an Enemy with her Q, her R shouldn't shield her unless she actually hits an enemy champion with the Ability and her E should only stealth allies and NOT her. She should either be focused on high risk high reward, which would perserve her damage and hit her Utility, making her an ADC, or she should be a low damage, lenient backline healing, engage-denying enchanter which would mean reduce damage and focus on her Utility.

Senna right now has every wet dream tool to be an adc, and people aknowledge her ADC role too. Her Support Winrates completely fade in comparison with only a 52% tops. (yet even then she maintains rank 1 amongst Supports this patch).

Imagine a single champion being rank 1 on both playable roles in bot lane in the same patch, and meta apologists will still claim she is fine. God I am sick of being ignored just to come back with a fat, condescending "I told you so" post.

65 Comments

GFREEMEN11/30/2019, 10:02:56 AM16 votes

Everyone know she was going to be OP. Basically every thing Riot does now is broken. Its to sell her and skins.

Take note the new guy and the Diana changes. Both are going to be broken AF and Riot could care less.

TheBentOn311/30/2019, 4:28:45 PM15 votes

She was given a mountain of free stats so she could function as an ADC with no gold. Obviously playing her in a role that lets her get gold on top of her free stats was going to be busted.

FakeGravity11/30/2019, 3:31:48 PM10 votes

i think they should make her heal scale with either mist or just ap so going full support items get a strong heal while adc builds get just nice damage

FSRER11/30/2019, 2:54:54 PM8 votes

Nah don't worry! Riot for the next patches will be buffing Aphelios so they will be like "uhh we forgot about her,,,get some skins and shut the hell up :)"

Ragnaveil11/30/2019, 9:18:33 PM5 votes

I think she should just gain AD per level instead of per mist stack. Doing that was just unessisary if she getting not only free crit, but free lifesteal for excess crit, and range. I'd also argue for her to gain 25 range per 25 stacks and not 20. Another part that makes her good is that her drawing attack can crit (and it does current hp damage, meaning she can really hurt a squish player at high health).

G0blinSlay3r11/30/2019, 10:17:41 PM3 votes

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https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/jblPzt69-senna-is-not-a-support-no-matter-what-riot-says

Yeah well, would you look at that

https://lolalytics.com/lol/senna/?lane=bottom

https://champion.gg/champion/Senna/ADC

Her ADC winrate is between 52 - 54%, skyrocketing to almost 60% if you look at the Top Senna Players' average.

Statistics suggest she has THE strongest earlygame as an ADC combined with the SAFEST.

I repeat what I said back then, her sustain and utility is too strong for someone who is meant to be a pyke with tits copypasta. Her Heal should apply to herself on more strict conditions, such as hitting both an ally AND an Enemy with her Q, her R shouldn't shield her unless she actually hits an enemy champion with the Ability and her E should only stealth allies and NOT her. She should either be focused on high risk high reward, which would perserve her damage and hit her Utility, making her an ADC, or she should be a low damage, lenient backline healing, engage-denying enchanter which would mean reduce damage and focus on her Utility.

Senna right now has every wet dream tool to be an adc, and people aknowledge her ADC role too. Her Support Winrates completely fade in comparison with only a 52% tops. (yet even then she maintains rank 1 amongst Supports this patch).

Imagine a single champion being rank 1 on both playable roles in bot lane in the same patch, and meta apologists will still claim she is fine. God I am sick of being ignored just to come back with a fat, condescending "I told you so" post.

dude i called it before it existed. XD

Düff McWhalen11/30/2019, 8:28:54 PM3 votes

How dare any of you talk of nerfing a POC! Das rayciss!

ModUlanopo12/1/2019, 12:37:16 AM2 votes

There's a problem with this argument. Well, there are several, but the main one is this (from u.gg):

Mordekaiser is at 53.48% top Warwick is at 54.32% in the jungle Aurelion Sol is at 55.34% in mid (If you're going to make the 1-trick argument, Kassadin is at 53.32%) Janna is at 53.37% as support

Just posting numbers without context doesn't tell us anything. Of course Senna is going to have a high pick/ban rate, she's a brand new champion and this is preseason.

Nea10411/30/2019, 11:47:34 PM2 votes

They just deleted another pretty big thread about Senna and how wrong she is.

For the rest, I repeat: where are all the smart kids saying she wasn't gonna be a "Pyke 2.0" issue? :D

Beerstein12/1/2019, 1:58:10 AM2 votes

Make her heal scale off AD...backwards...more AD=less heal

Leona is SO HOT12/1/2019, 3:34:27 PM2 votes

i dont play league much these days but for the few games i'v played against a senna i didnt have a problem.

maybe it's because i play leona and she is not that good against all ins or maybe the person playing senna isnt that skilled with her (she is a new chmp after all ) so idk https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yQ6KuyROIhE/Wd0ZmqdgWbI/AAAAAAAAw_M/TZ0mHdC0Tg0xB7UqTDMV73wmR4XNg7OTgCLcBGAs/s1600/6c71841887c52fef.png[]

boricCentaur111/30/2019, 11:59:59 AM1 votes

Hmmmm wow a post that is nothing for bs getting upvotes great. I love that your only reason for her being strong is basically winrate showing you clearly don't understand statistics.

Her heal isn't good especially early game so idk why you think she has good sustain o I actually do know why you think that just you haven't even seen or played her and you're just looking at her abilities since you want to complain about something.

Like I'm even going to go over more since most of it is you saying them should remove something for no reason other then you going reeee.

Guess what her playrate is shit, she is statistically weaker compared to lot of adcs like 4% fucking playrate that isn't good. Having a 4% playrate means you're most likely in need of buffs.

Please don't use statistics since you don't understand them, please stop saying champions are op because you want to rant about something, and please give real arguments to why champions are op.

FazerPowerZ12/1/2019, 9:21:00 PM1 votes

I'm currently seeing Senna players play top lane. It's actually really disgusting. Why may you ask? Because it's the range. Her range is insanely high (Idk her range stat) but it's really not good. I played as darius top lane and I was against senna and I was out ranged for the whole laneing phase. If she runs press the attack and hits you three times she takes a chunk of your health. That also doesn't include when she hits you and take your soul which takes another chunk of your health. She needs to be nerf and gutted and set back in her place as a support champion.

It's absurd and uncalled for that riot hasn't commented on this issue with this specific champion. I'm seeing senna players run dark harvest + precision runes and running item 3147 item 3142 item 3179 item 3072 item 3031 And other attack items that an ADC would use. She just needs to be a support and that's that.