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@Riot, playing on a sub 30 account is the most horrific thing I have ever experienced.

USG Obama··7 votes·601 views

I'm not even talking about the sheer amount of blatant toxicity or trolling/griefing from players who have recently been banned or are smurfing and just don't give a crap, no.

I'm talking about the fact that I've played 8 games today on this level 19 account, and ALL eight games have matched me with or against plat and diamond players, while the rest of the teams are made up of sub 30s.

Almost every single one (and by that I mean 7/8) has been my team with lvl 19, lvl 16, lvl 22, lvl 14 and the enemy team being level 30 unranked, level 30 unranked, Diamond IV, Diamond I, Plat V. Or my team 3 sub 30s (lvl 16-20), one diamond IV, and enemy team Diamond II, Diamond IV, Plat 1, level 30 unranked, lvl 21.

The one, singular game, where the odds were stacked in our favor for once was 3 30s, one Plat 5, and me at 19, vs 1 diamond, and 3 sub 30s. I say that goes in our favor because more of us actually had runes and masteries than theirs. The very next game... genuinely brand new adc on our side vs 2 diamond players on enemy bot lane.

I have seen a handful of golds, but almost entirely it's plat and diamond. As many plat and diamond as there were 30s and sub 30s. Not. one. single. silver or bronze. Not one.

Can someone from Riot explain the absolutely freaking insanity behind this matchmaking system for normals? Why is the standard normal mmr for a level 19 averaging out to 1700? And how this is supposed to be even remotely new player friendly???

Please comment Riot.

EDIT: And before anyone asks, I've asked quite a few of the plat/diamonds "are you a duo with any of these sub 30s or 30s?" And they say NO. Some of them have even complained "why the $*@% is riot matching me with 20s???"

14 Comments

Crett3 votes

are you actually a new player? riot's system QUICKLY detects smurfs it seems like, and matches them up accordingly

USG Obama1 votes

Oh is that the reason why there were at least 5 (that I know of), brand new players in these 8 matches today? Riot's doing a great job of detecting this, if that's the case.

I would absolutely fucking hate to be a new player in this game, if I had to play even ONE of those matches.

deathofall841 votes

So part of how they detect smurf accounts is through IP so if people are playing on the same computer as say a Diamond player their initial mmr is going to be through the roof and if some how they win those games they will maintain that mmr even harder still being new but having the equivalent mmr of a upper ranked player

USG Obama1 votes

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So part of how they detect smurf accounts is through IP so if people are playing on the same computer as say a Diamond player their initial mmr is going to be through the roof and if some how they win those games they will maintain that mmr even harder still being new but having the equivalent mmr of a upper ranked player

I mean I've played a smurf account on a VPN so this is bullshit.

My main account is far from 1700 mmr this season toon, so idk how the fuck this game can pit me against diamonds for 10 games in a row now.

Not even joking when I say I have not seen a SINGLE bronze or silver in all 10 of these games yet, even gold is rare... it's ONLY level 15-20 OR plat-diamond. no matter how you look at that, that's bullshit... not just for the low levels, but also for the diamonds who are playing with potentially bronze players WITH NO RUNES OR MASTERIES.

what the actual fuck.

SB Arneeman1 votes

They recently started matching pre-30 smurfs with plat-diamonds in normal games, and it's super annoying. A lot of the smurfs are lower ranked that that on their main account, and it's not evened out on both teams either, so if you get the lower level players on your botlane it's pretty much lost. If you add autofill into consideration, the game is pretty much decided before it starts with the extreme matchmaking differences. I always try to win normals and used to play with mostly diamonds, not under 30-smurfs.

IRyzeForNidalee2 votes

[{quoted}](name=SB Arneeman,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IohN09ym,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-10-03T11:46:03.370+0000)

They recently started matching pre-30 smurfs with plat-diamonds in normal games, and it's super annoying. A lot of the smurfs are lower ranked that that on their main account, and it's not evened out on both teams either, so if you get the lower level players on your botlane it's pretty much lost. If you add autofill into consideration, the game is pretty much decided before it starts with the extreme matchmaking differences. I always try to win normals and used to play with mostly diamonds, not under 30-smurfs.

Recently?

Three years ago or so I was leveling up a smurf and had the joy of getting matched together with 4 other toxic level 20 smurfs against a full 5-man premade of masters+ players. TWICE IN A ROW. And they weren't those players that have low normals mmr due to playing only ranked either. They all had like 3k to 5k normals played and waited an hour to get the first game we were matched up against them.

Take my advice and just spam co-op vs ai until you hit level 30. Pick heimerdinger and afk and let his turrets do your job, you only have to pay attention if your teammates are complete newbies. Your teammates won't even care because they're far more likely to complain about you KSing them.

USG Obama1 votes

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Recently?

Three years ago or so I was leveling up a smurf and had the joy of getting matched together with 4 other toxic level 20 smurfs against a full 5-man premade of masters+ players. TWICE IN A ROW. And they weren't those players that have low normals mmr due to playing only ranked either. They all had like 3k to 5k normals played and waited an hour to get the first game we were matched up against them.

Take my advice and just spam co-op vs ai until you hit level 30. Pick heimerdinger and afk and let his turrets do your job, you only have to pay attention if your teammates are complete newbies. Your teammates won't even care because they're far more likely to complain about you KSing them.

Honestly, as shitty as matchmaking is, aram's not that bad... might be slower cus you don't win ever one like you would in AI - but it's certainly not nearly as horrific as a rift game with diamond, diamond, diamond, plat, gold vs plat, plat, plat, gold, LEVEL FUCKING 20 (my last match, about to post screenshot).

USG Obama1 votes

[{quoted}](name=SB Arneeman,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IohN09ym,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-10-03T11:46:03.370+0000)

They recently started matching pre-30 smurfs with plat-diamonds in normal games, and it's super annoying. A lot of the smurfs are lower ranked that that on their main account, and it's not evened out on both teams either, so if you get the lower level players on your botlane it's pretty much lost. If you add autofill into consideration, the game is pretty much decided before it starts with the extreme matchmaking differences. I always try to win normals and used to play with mostly diamonds, not under 30-smurfs.

Is there a reason why they did this exactly? It seems like the queue times for low levels are actually increased dramatically as a result of this, because as I've stated, in now 10 freaking games, I have NOT SEEN ONE SINGLE bronze or silver player, and even gold is rare... it's only levels 15-20 or plat-diamond.

How is that helpful to anyone in the community??

Did riot do this to ensure smurfs who are banned or simply smurfing get pitted against diamonds as a penalty? Well what about the plat-diamond players who are forced into their punishment? Did they do it because they assume said smurf is plat-diamond level themselves (cus i sure as fuck am not). Did they do it for queue times? Because for new players this certainly made things much worse.

It's unfair to the actual new players, which there have been several, genuinely new ones, in these 10 games, and not just that, it's also unfair to the plat and diamond players who are purposely matched by riot with potentially bronze-silver players WITH NO RUNES OR MASTERIES.

No matter how you look at it, any possible reason that they could have for this shit matchmaking only makes things worse for the entire community as a whole. Unless it's not on purpose, and it's just that and nothing else - shit matchmaking. In which case Riot needs to get off their ass and fix it. In either case actually.

PhDs Nuts1 votes

I played a normal game a couple days ago as a 4-man. Our random 5th was a level 19 with no runes or masteries (brand new player) that got assigned mid lane against a Plat 5. He was 100 cs down at 15 mins and the enemy Kassadin was 6/0.

USG Obama1 votes

https://i.imgur.com/DtgbpZF.png

what the actual FUCK riot

Darkdemon6531 votes

[{quoted}](name=USG Obama,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IohN09ym,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-10-02T23:39:03.402+0000) And how this is supposed to be even remotely new player friendly???

You're not a new player. Your experience is not what new players will experience. You have a far higher MMR than a true level 19 would, so you're getting matched with and against people who have far higher MMRs than true level 19s would have.

With that said, the matchmaking system is definitely garbage, especially pre-30. It is quite good at not putting new players with non-new players, though.

USG Obama1 votes

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You're not a new player. Your experience is not what new players will experience. You have a far higher MMR than a true level 19 would, so you're getting matched with and against people who have far higher MMRs than true level 19s would have.

With that said, the matchmaking system is definitely garbage, especially pre-30. It is quite good at not putting new players with non-new players, though.

Well it's funny that you say that because I've already stated in other replies that...

  1. I haven't won even close to enough matches on this account to be considered gold, let alone plat-diamond mmr, even "normal mmr". Nor am I the only one experiencing this (there's a thread made by a GENUINELY new player, level 25 account having the same. exact. problem. and dozens of others too).

  2. I'm not even close to that high rank on my main account anyway.

  3. in the past 10 games I've now seen AT LEAST 6, that I know of, genuinely new players (because I asked). Who also happen to ask questions like "umm is this really what this game is going to be like?" And likewise diamond players saying "wtf, why am I being matched with these newbs??"

  4. Where are the unranked 30s, the bronzes, the silvers? Even the golds? All 10 games I've played in a row, have been NOTHING BUT levels 15-20 OR plat-diamond. Nothing whatsoever inbetween. If they game deems me as "higher than level 20 mmr" shouldn't it start at fucking bronze or silver or even gold mmr at least???

  5. If this was done on purpose, what exactly is it supposed to accomplish? 1 and 2 aside, queue times are actually DOWN, because its matching ONLY with plat-diamond, and nothing inbetween. And now plat-diamond players have to put up with potentially bronze-silver players WITH NO RUNES OR MASTERIES.

What does this solve for ANYONE??

And on purpose or not, I can understand a tiny bit of "matchmaking is shit/fuckups" from riot, but holy mother of god the sheer LEVEL of the imbalance is the single most retarded thing I have ever seen in an online game. it'd be one thing if it was 1 or 2 games out of 10... BUT ALL FUCKING 10 GAMES IN A ROW??

BobaFlautist1 votes

A lot of people tank their normals mmr so they can "practice" new shit (read: troll and still stomp). Even if they do well this game, the last 100 games they were high and playing AP riven adc.

USG Obama1 votes

First of all, if that was the case, you'd still see SOME bronze/silvers/golds in these matches... not flat out level 15-20 OR plat/diamond, with absolutely not a single thing inbetween for ALL TEN GAMES IN A ROW.

Second of all, If that was the case, I've trolled/not played seriously on this account more than any other one by far, probably even have like a 35% winrate... So exactly how is it determining my normal mmr as being 1750 on average, at level fucking 20 with shit runes and masteries?

Third, I don't get even close to that on my MAIN account where I actually try on normals and have a MUCH higher winrate.

And lastly, as I've stated repeatedly. If what you said was the case, and it very very clearly is not, then why are the genuinely new players in almost all of these matches?? What about their winrates, their mmr?

No matter how you look at this thing, it's completely fucked. Riot screwed it up, bad. BEYOND bad. There is no reasoning that you could possibly come up with that actually makes sense for the sheer level of imbalance here. Not a single one that I've heard yet, anyway.

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