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Champion Mastery is kill orientated

Iittala·5/25/2016, 6:10:42 AM·1 votes·520 views

As a support player this is driving me utterly insane. I just got an A+ and two of my teamates got an S. The major difference being the number of kills my allies got and farm. As a support these aren't factors to us while playing the game. (we are told to not get kills or farm).

A major thing support players do is WARD WARD, this influence into score is incredibly low. 20 wards for a support should carry about the same weight as a kill, This is a full score letter difference for many supports.

Another thing is support farm is always the lowest (very obviously). With knowing that information supports typing/pings should count as farm.. (giving supports a CS score from not CSing). Many times as a support you end up being team leader and typically type and ping a lot to help get your team on the game page. This ability separates out good supports from great, but I'm fairly certain it's not in mastery.

The support role is vastly different in purpose from the other roles, the fact the champion mastery is treated the same doesn't feel rewarding.

10 Comments

Gimpy895/25/2016, 6:12:16 AM1 votes

it is normalized to champion/role. for me support almost always gets S since its my best role.

Lost R5/25/2016, 6:19:57 AM1 votes

No it isn't. It's based on percentile, it factors in EVERYTHING you do, and trying to abide by community-based support chivalry will prevent you from ever getting an S-rank as a support.

sheldonbunny5/25/2016, 6:20:50 AM1 votes

It is factored in for supports. Mastery for supports is not kill oriented. I've gotten S rank on 0-1 kills before. It's about participating in team kills roughly 65% of the time, warding, denying vision, having a reasonable amount of cs for a support, etc.

JustMonika135/25/2016, 6:21:19 AM1 votes

Not really, I've seen supports with minimal kills get S- and higher.

Umio5/25/2016, 6:26:10 AM1 votes

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As a support player this is driving me utterly insane. I just got an A+ and two of my teamates got an S. The major difference being the number of kills my allies got and farm. As a support these aren't factors to us while playing the game. (we are told to not get kills or farm).

A major thing support players do is WARD WARD, this influence into score is incredibly low. 20 wards for a support should carry about the same weight as a kill, This is a full score letter difference for many supports.

Another thing is support farm is always the lowest (very obviously). With knowing that information supports typing/pings should count as farm.. (giving supports a CS score from not CSing). Many times as a support you end up being team leader and typically type and ping a lot to help get your team on the game page. This ability separates out good supports from great, but I'm fairly certain it's not in mastery.

The support role is vastly different in purpose from the other roles, the fact the champion mastery is treated the same doesn't feel rewarding.

Not true, I play support ALL the time and USUALLy get S, and I dont always get kills. Rare. Try not dying.

Athenes Lulu5/25/2016, 6:27:14 AM1 votes

Supports, in this case, is calculated on kill % participation, a good deal of wards placed and destroyed, some farm (anything more than 20 is actually good enough btw), and depending on the champ, some kills.

Yes, it is still KDA oriented, but it's not necessarily as kill oriented for them.

EMeta5/25/2016, 7:05:00 AM1 votes

You're competing against other players on the same champ in the same position. If you're playing Annie/Brand/Zyra support, 10% of their games they're going to carry, so you'll need a lot of kills/kill participation/wards placed to be in the same ballpark. I would guess Soraka supports would need 70-80% kill participation to be in their S bracket.

Yes, that means some games even if you play perfectly, you have no chance of getting the S. Other games you play like crap, but your ADC is carrying hard and you get the S just by sticking by her, warding up, and not dying. ("I meant to miss that Blitz Q, it was just a zoning grab. Again.")

I don't know the exact number, but x% (maybe 5%? 7%? I really don't know) of champs in each team position get an S. If as a support you're double-jungling early game and roaming hard all game you might trip up Riot's position detection engine and be graded as if you were in a different role, but that's pretty rare. You can tell from champion.gg's stats that Riot has a pretty good sense.

FioraWillCarry5/25/2016, 7:12:18 AM1 votes

I saw a level 7 Lux and a level 6 Braum today so its definitely possible earn S on supports.