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It seems like you guys want Ahri nerfed REALLY badly...

Insanity 101·8/7/2015, 5:06:20 PM·90 votes·9,611 views

Hi! I am an Ahri main who plays her because of her playstyle and not because of her tits! Although her Fox ears help I guess....

But anyway, now that we got that whole "perverted weaboo Ahri player" stereotype that you guys are most likely going to use as ad hominem, let's break down the arguments I have seen against Ahri:

  • SHE CAN SPAM HER Q AND GET MS BOOSTS FOR DAAAAYYZZ!!! : ... She cannot spam Q without going out of mana, even with a morelonomicon.

  • SHE HAS SUSTAIN ALONG WITH MOBILITY OMFG!!!! : Her sustain requires her to spam her high manacost abilities over and over again in order to function. Basically, Ahri mana hungry AF.

  • SHE CAN 100-0 ANYONE AT ANY TIME OMFG!!!! : No she cannot 100-0 you at any point of the game other than Mid Game. Early game she has to poke you down with her easy to dodge Q first. Even when she lands charm her full combo can't kill you from full health during early game. Ahri's full combo is very short ranged. During the late game if the ADC dodges her charm or she get's CC'd while performing her slow combo she will die INSTANTLY. And at this point Ahri's damage falls off because people start building defensively and she can only 100-0 low mr targets since her dmg is mediocre compared to other conventional mages and AP assassins. At the same time she doesn't have that much AOE. Other safe mages capable of kiting such a Vel'koz and Ziggs have INSANELY powerful AOE ultimates. Ahri is mostly singe target damage.

  • HER PICKRATE AND WINRATE ARE HIGH!!! : Woooow a safe fairly easy to play champion that capitalizes on people's mistakes has a high winrate and pickrate in solo que. How surprising.

  • HERE RANGE IS HUGE YET SHE'S SO SAFE!!! PLEASE FUCK ME SIDEWAYS!! : Ahri is actually low range. Her main poking tool (Orb of deception, I bet you Ahri QQers don't even know what the abilitiy is called) is medium ranged and fairly easy to dodge. Her foxfire and spirit rush are auto attack range. By the way most mages can't go in autoattack range because they get blown up easily. Ahri goes into autoattack range in hopes of dealing damage and praying that the enemy is incompetent enough to allow her to kite around the teamfight and pick off targets. If you just stay back and use Q then you don't know how to play Ahri. Her only long range ability is charm which is a single target CC in the form of a slow, linear, low damage, high manacost, high cooldown skillshot.

  • I HATE PLAYING AGAINST AHRI AND I HATE WEABOO AHRI PLAYERS!!!! : Good for you.

  • SHE'S MORE MOBILE THAN A ROAD RUNNER!!! : Akali Katarina Riven Zed Leblanc . Also she pays for this mobility. As a mage, Ahri is similar to the likes of Vel'koz, Xerath, and Brand. She is a kiting mage. Her advantage over other kiting mages is her mobility and sustain. However, in exchange for this mobility and sustain she has less range, less damage, and MUCH less AOE.

  • SHE LANDS HER CHARM AND YOU DIE!! : Err... Like every mage with their crowd control? Try stepping into Velkoz 's E and see how fast you get melted. Also, unlike vel'koz and brand she can't even kill you early game post 6 by just landing her charm and combo-ing you. She has to poke you down first. Even in the mid game she usually needs ignite to finish someone off after charm-combo'ing them.

These are my thoughts on the anti Ahri arguments. However, if you want her to get Nerfed really badly, I suggest reducing her charm range to be about the same as her Q. This will make it easier for you to outplay her charm I guess. I don't even care anyway, Ahri is usually in reach to get melted in a teamfight most of the time. This will nerf her without making her damage even more mediocre. I guess it will make her harder to play too.

TL;DR: MOST OF YOUT AHRI ARGUMENTS ARE DUMB BUT IF YOU WANT HER NERFED NERF HER CHARM RANGE.

EDIT: Ok calm down fox haters Ahri's sustain is getting nerfed and LEBLANC is getting buffed. Are you happy now?

161 Comments

Radnar the bold8/7/2015, 5:11:32 PM33 votes

Most arguments that people have about nerfing someone is dumb. It usually peeople who play a game, get shreked, think "its not the player its the champ", run to the boards, and make a post about them needing nerf. Then other who have the same issue upvote and comment.

Colgate Gator8/7/2015, 5:26:38 PM21 votes

I don't really care about the Champion's aesthetics or what do you feel when playing her, but one thing is for sure.

She's one of the safest mids at the moment, and added to that her damage is really good, the previous midlaner who was good at poke/burst/disengage was Azir, and he got hit, and I'm afraid that Ahri will soon follow.

For example, you mentioned VelKoz in your post, he has absolutely 0 mobility, which is why he's allowed to have such face-melting abilities, you can't really put Ahri in the same venue as VelKoz, Xerath nor Brand, as all the ones you mentioned have no escape means other than CC/Melt the enemies before they are caught out and destroyed, Ahri still has the option to use her Ultimate for disengage purposes.

Indominus Blade8/7/2015, 5:39:53 PM10 votes

Ahri is too strong, they should remove the movement speed part of her Q completely.

Count Buffon8/7/2015, 11:06:14 PM6 votes

Is Ahri QQ a thing now? Ahri has been fine since like forever.

Sasogwa8/7/2015, 7:56:57 PM5 votes

You take all the problems 1 by 1 and compare those to other champions'. The thing about Ahri is not her strength in one domain, it's her strength as a whole, all her versatility. She has no real weakness and provide pretty much everything you like about a midlaner.

1000angrybees8/7/2015, 5:19:51 PM5 votes

my personal favorite arguments is the 'GET CHARMED AND DIE' one because that LITERALLY is how almost every Mage with CC is supposed to work, like you said. They catch you, then deal a lot of damage because you got trapped. Ahri is no exception to this. pretty much irrelevant.

Also this "She can 100-0 you with her W and R!" nonsense is ridiculous. Have you ever even played her? How low on health were you? DId you have ANY MR? Are you an idiot? so many questions.

FailedEXE8/7/2015, 8:57:57 PM4 votes

I am honestly getting sick of everyone crying about Ahri as a well and say she needs to be nerfed.

Stop making excuses as to why you can't play against her. "Oh my god, I can't kill her because of her movement speed steroid." Her passive is too op, she has 4 flashes. I can't kill her! What do I do?!"

Lock in Annie, get to level six, charge her passive then flash tibbers stun her. It takes NO effort. Annie does not give two shits about Ahri's mobility when she cannot even make use of it while she is stunned and getting bursted down.

There are other solid options that do well against her. Diana, Fizz, Talon, Malzahar, Swain.

People are so fucking blindsided and intimidated by a stupid movement speed buff. The 20% damage amplification on her charm was traded for that which resulted in a heavy power loss. Everything else is the same except for the reduction in range acquisition for foxfire and spirit rush.

You cannot just simply remove the MS on her Orb Of Deception without giving something back in return. Otherwise that will COMPLETELY destroy her.

Hawkefire8/7/2015, 6:45:10 PM4 votes

Honestly, never really had a problem when dealing with ahri unless I was playing a melee mid (in which case it is one of the more unfun matchups).

Leu078/7/2015, 8:02:25 PM4 votes

I think she could use some mana sustain nerf in lane, that's all.

Colgate Gator8/7/2015, 8:28:30 PM4 votes

It has been widely stated that Ahri is in the best spot as a midlaner at this moment, considering her well-rounded damage, manageable mana costs, a moderate sustain with her passive and innate mobility (even without her Ult, you can Q to the opposite way you intend to run and you will get a nice boost).

I'll flip the question, what is exactly her weakness?

I mean, I'm not asking for her to be nerfed, but I don't agree with you undermining her strenghts.

NineTailedMystic8/7/2015, 8:05:13 PM3 votes

I'm an Ahri main and I approve this message.

(Ahri's numbers and gameplay hasn't been touched since 5.3 and she has only received two bug fixes since and you guys want her nerfed 12 patches later?)

warpenguin5558/7/2015, 5:22:27 PM3 votes

thanks for this. 100% true everything to said

Lil Soybean8/8/2015, 1:00:11 AM3 votes

All you are doing is listing Ahri's weaknesses. The problem is that literally every single weakness you mentioned applies to pretty much every single other midlaner...except she doesn't suffer from them nearly as much.

Get stunned by Xerath? Get chunked for 1/2 hp.

Get charmed by Ahri? Death.

Try to gank Xerath? He can sit far back, but he dies easily even inside his tower?

Try to gank Ahri?

Lol.

Listing a champion's weaknesses doesn't negate how much they need nerfs. What you're doing is the same as someone saying that Preseason 5 warwick didn't need nerfs, and then proceeding to list all of his weaknesses. "He's immobile! He's melee! He can't gank pre-6!" Etc. etc.

The problem is, his strengths WAY, WAY, WAY OUTSHINED those weaknesses at the time.

Ahri is in literally the same situation.

She is the most popular midlaner in the game. And the highest winrate CHAMPION in the entire game.

And she has a 52%+ winrate for players playing their first 5 games with her. So no, it isn't due to Ahri players being overly "skilled" on average. To further compound that, she's rank 21 or so out of about 48 midlaners in terms of average games played.

Get it? She is almost perfectly average in terms of the amount of experience players have with her.

Except even people who have never played her before pick her up and win most of their games.

How can you seriously keep denying there's a problem by listing her weaknesses? They clearly aren't meaningful enough. Again, you're doing the same thing as, in preseason 5, listing Warwick's weaknesses. Or at the release of Cinderhulk, listing Sejuani's weaknesses. Or at the release of Xin Zhao, listing his weaknesses.

I'll say this again. Listing a champion's weaknesses MEANS NOTHING. What matters is how relevant those weaknesses are compared to

  1. that champions' strengths, and
  2. the weaknesses of other champions in their role.

Ahri's weaknesses "having to land skillshots, being squishy" don't affect her nearly as much as they affect champions like - for example - Xerath, or Orianna. And they don't mean much when coupled with Ahri's core strength of being nearly unkillable. Q speed + Zhonya's + Flash + Ult dash + Ult dash + Ult dash.

Can we please stop this whole, "hey guys, another Ahri main here, I think she's balanced because she has the same weaknesses as every other midlaner!" trend going on? I appreciate the politeness of it, but the arguments don't make any difference. She is literally the most successful champion in the entire game right now, by a humongous margin.

Yordle Xayah8/8/2015, 6:38:45 AM3 votes

When did the "NERF AHRI OMFG" even became a thing? She's fine... You guys even remember Post-http://lol.esportspedia.com/w/images/7/77/Deathfire_Grasp.png Ahri?

Now THAT was ridiculous. The one Bjergsen used to beat CLG in their first encounter of the year. After that she was heavily brought down. She's not even a Tier 1 pick in professional play. Azir is stronger, and he isn't even the strongest AP Mid Laner right now Viktor

I seriously don't even understand where the cries for a nerf are coming from.

DrMarshSwamp8/7/2015, 11:30:36 PM2 votes

The only nerf Ahri needs is to have Charm's duration be based also on how far it traveled.

With her mobility I find it completely bullshit that she can just dash up right next to someone, Charm them, and proceed to kill them by unloading her kit on them.

And not all Mages have abundant CC or mobility to deal with this.

sakuda8/7/2015, 9:00:04 PM2 votes

And the ahri circle-jerk continues... I haven't seen a single post complaining about people hating ahri.

This is just a complainer complaining about another complainer

Ahri is fine, but IMO she could have less movespeed on her q

junglerboy168/7/2015, 9:48:34 PM2 votes

I don't think Ahri deserves nerfs, but you made a few points that don't make sense.

  • Q is a very fast easy to hit skill shot (hitting twice with it may be a touch challenging because it has a little bit of a pause at max range, but hitting on the way out isn't)
  • Q may be mana hungry, but overall she is not a very mana hungry champion (at least in comparison to the majority of other mid laners, Q is expensive, W is very cheap, E you hardly use outside an all-in attempt or a gank)
  • Just because you might expect a safe easy solo-queue champion would have a high win/pick rate doesn't mean having a high win/pick rate is ok, it still means she is stronger than average.

Ok, all that said, I still don't think she deserves nerfs, and I respect that you as an Ahri main likely know more about her than me, so I could be wrong.

FacerollKatarina8/8/2015, 3:12:20 AM2 votes

Ahri feels like the most balanced champion in the game to me... Now i'm not an Ahri main or anything but i just feel that her damage isn't stupidly high or low and her kit is perfect for a mid laner. She has everything that a mid laner should have. No reason to nerf her imo. Only mid laner i wanna see nerfed is Viktor

I Main Swain8/7/2015, 10:14:49 PM2 votes

Hi! I am an Ahri main who plays her because of her playstyle and not because of her tits!

well that make's one of us

Woook3r8/7/2015, 10:43:03 PM1 votes

Ahri did get nerfed. They removed death fire grasp from the game.

Lynxonyx8/7/2015, 9:45:16 PM1 votes

I honestly don't mind Ahri, her ability to escape is annoying. If anything gets nerfed on her, I would reduce the range, and/or increase the CD of her dashes.