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Riot Should Remove JG Autofill

TheGrot·11/29/2019, 8:04:23 PM·100 votes·17,227 views

Riot unloaded a ton of changes. Here's the quick overview:

1). Dragons are the entire game now. 4th elemental dragon buff matters, A LOT. All dragons give good combat stats. 2). The decisions a jungler makes carries a lot more weight now than it did before. The consequences are higher.

Put 1 and 2 together, and you have a recipe for disaster when your jungler is the player that gets auto filled.

It's a lot easier to fall behind experience-wise in the jungle now. You need to know your match ups and know the fights you can and can't take. You need to know how to path. You need to know when to gank and when to farm. Knowing how to smite objectives. If you do not know how to do these things, then it will NOT be difficult for you to suddenly see yourself 2 to 3 levels behind the enemy jungler. And in a game where dragons can make all the difference, smite levels matter.

If Riot is going to place so much weight on an aspect of the game that is so heavily influenced by the jungler, then they should remove the possibility for players to get autofilled to jungle in solo queue. I don't care if my mid/top/adc/support has only played the role two times before in their whole life. It's manageable. You can still hard carry. But if my jungler doesn't have a single clue about what he's doing, then my ability to influence the game (as any other role) will fall dramatically.

55 Comments

Ensign Torpedo11/29/2019, 8:19:02 PM67 votes

Riot should remove autofill in general. Why would you even create a system of always playing in preferred role if it puts you out of it every other game? Makes no fucking sense to me. Just make me wait another 5 minutes, whatever - I'll go put a Pokemon into a gym so I get some juicy PokeCoins next day. No biggie for me.

And if it was a biggie for someone else - he can always pick autofill role.

HommeGoujon11/29/2019, 8:30:39 PM12 votes

I can't jungle to save my life. I was autofilled once and I just dodged right away. Either remove JG autofill or force everyone to learn how to play the role.

Düff McWhalen11/29/2019, 8:45:26 PM6 votes

"Fill" is already a position option if you don't care where you're placed. Autofill should only apply to the people that choose it. If I queue Top/Mid, then I will wait however long I have to in order to play the role I'm supposed to play.

I main Jungle so...the current system is not an issue for me, but I'd like to play other roles and often have to go right back to Jungler the first game I queue as anything else because, lo and behold, my jungler is auto filled and I'm not about to let them ruin my game with their shit pathing and non committed ganks.

PzyXo11/30/2019, 12:27:08 AM5 votes

I mean, everything you said is true. And the new stuff on jungle are the things I really wanted, a challenge and brain skills. Not just play Lee Sin and camp bot/top. Now you need to use your brain because this game is a strategy game not cs1.6. So I love this.

Hayaishi211/29/2019, 8:58:43 PM4 votes

Jungle needs to be changed honestly. It is the only role that a team can't carry if it plays badly.

Your ADC, Top, Mid Supp can feed and the game is still winnable but your jungler feeds/plays badly/falls behind? GG he is just useless after that . This is why games feel like a coin flip.

LatetotheRace11/30/2019, 7:11:40 AM3 votes

I miss gold drakes, these new ones are far too influential and need to be reverted, but that's just imo.

CominTowardsYa11/29/2019, 8:52:36 PM3 votes

{quoted}

Riot unloaded a ton of changes. Here's the quick overview:

1). Dragons are the entire game now. 4th elemental dragon buff matters, A LOT. All dragons give good combat stats.

So if I buy no items, and get no exp, I can take down dragon and win the game?

2). The decisions a jungler makes carries a lot more weight now than it did before. The consequences are higher.

Weren't people just complaining about bot lane having all the power? Now look what happened.

Put 1 and 2 together, and you have a recipe for disaster when your jungler is the player that gets auto filled.

Just remove Auto fill and take a longer queue time, problem solved.

It's a lot easier to fall behind experience-wise in the jungle now. You need to know your match ups and know the fights you can and can't take. You need to know how to path. You need to know when to gank and when to farm. Knowing how to smite objectives. If you do not know how to do these things, then it will NOT be difficult for you to suddenly see yourself 2 to 3 levels behind the enemy jungler. And in a game where dragons can make all the difference, smite levels matter.

You can't coach a jungler, I guess you'll have to learn to carry not as Jungler, or just learn to jungle.

If Riot is going to place so much weight on an aspect of the game that is so heavily influenced by the jungler, then they should remove the possibility for players to get autofilled to jungle in solo queue. I don't care if my mid/top/adc/support has only played the role two times before in their whole life. It's manageable. You can still hard carry. But if my jungler doesn't have a single clue about what he's doing, then my ability to influence the game (as any other role) will fall dramatically.

That is what you guys get for complaining Bot lane had too much power. No one will be happy no matter what the change is.

Crescent Dusk11/29/2019, 11:54:37 PM3 votes

{quoted}

Riot unloaded a ton of changes. Here's the quick overview:

1). Dragons are the entire game now. 4th elemental dragon buff matters, A LOT. All dragons give good combat stats. 2). The decisions a jungler makes carries a lot more weight now than it did before. The consequences are higher.

Put 1 and 2 together, and you have a recipe for disaster when your jungler is the player that gets auto filled.

It's a lot easier to fall behind experience-wise in the jungle now. You need to know your match ups and know the fights you can and can't take. You need to know how to path. You need to know when to gank and when to farm. Knowing how to smite objectives. If you do not know how to do these things, then it will NOT be difficult for you to suddenly see yourself 2 to 3 levels behind the enemy jungler. And in a game where dragons can make all the difference, smite levels matter.

If Riot is going to place so much weight on an aspect of the game that is so heavily influenced by the jungler, then they should remove the possibility for players to get autofilled to jungle in solo queue. I don't care if my mid/top/adc/support has only played the role two times before in their whole life. It's manageable. You can still hard carry. But if my jungler doesn't have a single clue about what he's doing, then my ability to influence the game (as any other role) will fall dramatically.

A jungler cannot take dragon if his laners are shit, lose their lane and all prio and blame him for not getting dragons.

NobleTacoKing12/1/2019, 2:14:54 AM3 votes

Here's a better idea so you guys can actually learn something. Just learn all the roles. It's not hard. Top, Mid and ADC are basically the same with very minor differences between the two. Jungle has a bit more of a complicated learning curve but it's almost the same with extra steps, and Support is just a devolved form of ADC.

Learn 3 champs in every role, if none of them are meta find one that is and learn it to its base level.

Ta-da! Fixed all your problems. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

hewhodoesnotcare12/1/2019, 1:30:57 AM2 votes

riot screwd up the jungle so junglers dont want to play jungle. So GL with that autofill until riot fixed the jungle

Amphysvena11/29/2019, 9:30:56 PM2 votes

At least inform us ingame which players if any are autofilled so I can make decisions based on that. If I should dodge, what champ, if I should pick TP for dragon pressure etc.

klin53712/1/2019, 4:32:25 PM2 votes

Yeah. Jungle and lane are totally different games. Some really good junglers have no idea how to last hit minions and vice versa, some really good laners can't kite camps. The skills you need between jungling and laning are so different that it's crazy to think that a laner could be autofilled jg, but it manages to happen over and over again.

GodlyBane11/30/2019, 3:03:30 AM1 votes

i had a jgler be 3 levels below a solo laner even tho my jg was fairly even LOL

NaughtyWord11/29/2019, 9:02:51 PM1 votes

I'm fine with autofill in norms, but I do not want to play jungle in ranked. The changes notwithstanding, I'm not a good jungler and I don't want to devote the time it would take to become proficient at it when I'm trying to become better at a champion that flat-out cannot jungle: Veigar

LanceTheMighty11/30/2019, 11:24:57 AM1 votes

IMO it should be an opt in kinda thing. I que mid and top because they are the best roles to carry from but I get autofilled jg quite a lot, it might have something to do with that being my most played role in the past but I much rather be autofilled jungle than support or adc, both which I have insanely low winrates at.

Fckjaxsuo43v3r11/30/2019, 3:25:44 PM1 votes

I play autofill all the time now cuz I'm a 3v3 player and SR sucks for me but there's no choice it's SR or ARAM now, so...I've been assigned to jungle 5 of 7 games or something like that while I purely hate jungle on SR (too big of a map to gank properly while in 3v3 jungler can gank from everywhere in no time and has 3 camps total to clear, and much more emphasis on roaming, ganking and counterjungling than SR).

Guess what I do since yesterday. I play supp top or mid when I'm filled jungle. If another takes smite, fine but I still play support champs mid or top and I've even won a Soraka vs Urgot lane (destroyed his turret and killed him lol).

The thing is, junglers get so garbage exp that they need to steal lane exp more than ever to not be 2 levels lower than the sup. So I play sup, with 2 sup the game is so ez with 400g sup item that has jungle items worth of stats for...1600 gold less...and smite is so garbage at everything but dragon/baron (even then only really important in early since later they have tons of HP so 600-750 true damage isn't worth a waste of a summoner spell slot while heal can easily turn a loosing tf into a winning tf, ignite can help kill one guy, even exhaust is more useful against burst champions).

By playing 2v1 on 1 lane, the ennemy team will shout at each other because they have no ganks, one lane can't even farm so it gets 1-2 items behind (even sup gets more items) and their jungler doesn't know where to look. They can take 2-3 drakes, I don't care because at that point they already lost 3 turrets and the game is almost over with a jungler and a solo laner unable to do anything in fights because they're both behind, one because his post has become garbage and the other because he doesn't get any gold on his/her lane and gets pushed and ends up either opening lane and roaming without gold or staying and being useless for the whole game.

The worst thing is that people blame me for not going jungle when I tell them jungler has no exp and can't do anything other than number during ganks because when you're lv 4 the mid/top are lv 6 and when you're 6 they're 8 or 9 already. They blame me but I've never had this winrate before (I've lost like 1 game of 4 since I play support for top/mid, it's too few games to make averages but I've rarely won 3 games out of 4 with such ease, like Soraka winning top lane vs Urgot who I never won against before while helping the team by taking first blood turret and using R each time my allies needed it).

Also when we have 5 champions who actually earn exp and gold, vs a jungler who struggles doing anything more than taking buffs and scarying you by being there but actually not doing anything useful and his ganks being totally useless, and an ennemy solo laner who can't farm even under turret because poke mages/supports make their life hell, we effectively play 5 vs 3+ 2 x 0.5 champs (so 5v4 but 2 out of 5 champs are fodder).

Yep, return to the 2-1-2 champs per lane meta, or 1-2-2, it doesn't matter much since there always are 2 useless champs in the ennemy team. Time for annoying junglers like Lee Sin the shut the * up and go to bed because they can't roam one shooting people anymore with a 2 levels advantage because of snowball.

As boring as the game has become with all the damage meaning you can't tank anymore, even without true damage heavy runes, it's better now that I can say screw it to the jungler role in 5v5 without ruining the game automatically. These support items are godsend!

NelsieLisnen11/30/2019, 4:20:16 PM1 votes

That was the summation I was looking for. Even for a Normals player like me, the change is SO MUCH MORE apparent. Just one bad jungle decision, one 1v1 loss and the game turns into a 4v5. Not only that, falling behind in XP makes so many junglers bad rn. I can't really rage at my junglers for a couple of mistakes but there's no window for them to turn the tables anymore and it's all the more disheartening. I dread the prospect of filling as my pocket pick now because I feel like one solo death will turn me into a farmbot that can never catch up.

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BONUS DMG 2NOOBS11/30/2019, 5:35:59 PM1 votes

Well, if RIOT doesn't buff jungle XP before pre seasons ends, you all are going to be getting autofilled jungle a whole lot more :)

xDanceGavinDance11/29/2019, 9:09:21 PM1 votes

Well playing Bot and Jungle Takes autofill away, I dont even know what autofill is anymore lol. But honestly I agree 100% Seeing someone say autofill Jungler in preseason Is Scary. I understand why its a THing Doesnt mean i like it tho

Fckjaxsuo43v3r11/30/2019, 8:43:52 PM1 votes

Not to forget this jungle (ever since S5 but at that time you could choose the purple smite to make up for it) deals CRAP TONS of damage, either you play a very sustain-oriented jungler and walk out of there well or you can only cry as you're 20% HP at the end of your half clear, jungling requires to know perfectly how to kite jungle mobs, and this requires you to train specifically for that goal, watching good junglers games in order to understand their kiting mechanics, how they go back and away to attack fast enough but not take too many hits...jungling isn't for noobs and auto fill jungler should never happen. Might as well remove the role if no one plays it and put smite as an active of the jungling items so anyone can pick that but it wouldn't have any effect on champions (removal of blue/red smite in order to get back a summoner spell and ability to play in lane and go back to jungle as you will and not only because the meta and game design pushes you to).

It could bring back items like the elder/lizard from s3 or 4 and you would have smite on them, so laners could take the closest camp and go back to lane to actually play an interactive game instead of farming for 12 minutes under turret. I think it would be much more interesting, since new jungle exp is bad but could be useful in complement with lane exp/gold. If 2 laners had a smite item, this would make the fight for objectives less coin flip and more enjoyable, as if the jungler is dead now you can hardly steal drake/nash, and these objectives are so major at the moment that it's just easy to camp the ennemy jungler with the mid laner or top laner and kill him before taking objectives without the threat of a smite steal.

GonahtanuGepardi11/30/2019, 9:24:57 PM1 votes

All dragons give good combat stats.

This isn't really the point of the post but I just wanted to point out that the first 2 dragons are pretty irrelevant and if your team is stomping, it can actually be ideal to give the enemy team the first two dragons, at least one of them. Because if you are winning convincingly, you can then secure the next 4 dragons, meaning you get 4 of the same element and a dragon soul. It's far better to have 4 of the same dragon than 3 different ones with one of them having 2 stacks.

Let me explain why the first two dragons are irrelevant. Firstly is what i said above, but secondly, the power of the dragons when you have only one of them is poor. Let's use ocean dragon as an example. It heals for 5% of your missing health over 5 seconds. That means you heal 10 hp/sec when you have lost 1000 hp and it gets worse as your hp regenerates. 10 hp/sec is irrelevant and doesn't comfort you when you are getting bursted. The cloud dragon buff gives 10% ult cdr and it doesn't stack additively with normal cdr so it's actually not that much. It's around 6% additional cdr on your ult if you have 40% normal cdr. Not a very meaningful amount. Mountain is the most useful one out of them all with 8% increased resistances because it's already gives a decent bonus from just your bases resistances and further helps champions that build them. Infrenal gives 20 ap if you have 400 ap already. That's an amplifying tome and it really doesn't affect much at that point anymore. Champions that stack a lot of ad benefit from it too but if you have champions that don't really build much ad then it's not really making a big enough impact to worry about losing it.

So in conclusion, ocean and cloud are definitely worth giving up to the enemy team if they are the first 2 dragons but mountain and infernal are situational. It's pretty funny because ocean is the most powerful soul you can get. 4 oceans and their soul makes your team invincible.

Darkstar Annie12/1/2019, 5:59:49 PM1 votes

I want to play a custom game where there's top, mid, and 3 bot lol, because that's basically where all the action has to take place now.

Adc, traditional support, and the all new jungle support in the same lane lol. New meta predicted for 2025. Sure if the enemy team doesn't do the same, there'll be some serious level disavantage, but with the extra wards they won't be able to be ganked without global teleports. Can chip away at towers and zone the enemy adc and support off of farm. Bot lane will become cozy. You'll be able to get to know your jungler, support and adc.

Beerstein12/1/2019, 2:19:39 AM1 votes

Lol no.

  1. Rito nerf JG
  2. Yay Rito nerfed JG
  3. They should probably nerf it more
  4. OH GOD IM GETTING AUTOFILLED INTO IT!
  5. Rito nerf JG but remove autofill into it.

Oh my god, suck it up. If there's an autofill issue it's because there's an issue with balance in the jungle, and it should NOT be buried. If it is, that's step one to burying their heads in the sand and the legitimate death of league.

How about you know, fixing the JG instead? If there were enough that people were getting autofilled OUT Of it 2 seasons ago, then it's not a lack of people willing to play it, it's a problem with balance.

As JG/Support in the past I was autofilled into csing roles, don't act like that's any better. Ever see a Jungler/Support try to CS at their mains rank? lol.

Janna Corp12/1/2019, 4:19:57 AM1 votes

Just learn support and q for that. xD You'll always get it. >:D [sg-lulu]

Demented Lemur11/30/2019, 7:31:12 PM1 votes

Auto fill exist to reduce que times removing it for certain roles would increase que times.

Rmember before positional que came out and it was a race to call a role before you became support. That was because nobody wanted to play support why do you think removing Auto fill would solve any problems

Tenarin11/30/2019, 1:38:22 AM1 votes

(This is mostly just me rambling, but for advice on how to remedy OP's problem, see last paragraph)

Jg is kind of a bigger deal because dragons, but also it's less of a deal due to other nerfs. Jg has been nerfed so hard it's becoming much more difficult to carry games. My friend is an adc/top main and i'm a jg main, and we used to climb at about the same rate and end up around low plat. At this point we would level off and if we could climb from there it was veeeeery slowly.

Season 9 neither of us played ranked, and when we started up his winrate was way higher than mine. We were both placed in silver 3, and i'm gold 1 now and he's already gold 4 and he played far less games. This could mean he has improved and that I haven't, but he wasn't even adapting to the new vision or anything else, and I was constantly improving my game watching pro junglers and if anyone improved it was me. I learned a LOT in season 9 and can't believe how awful I was jungling before. Yet i'm climbing more slowly, and he's just playing the same as he did before, mostly adc in ranked.

I can't really use this as proof, just my 2 cents. It very strongly feels like I have improved and he's about the same, but he's climbing crazy fast doing the same shit he was doing back then, while i'm climbing reasonably well, at gold 1 i'm at about 57% winrate so it's not going awful or anything, but when I spectate him it really is showing how much of an impact he has.

A lot of these games have also been in preseason. He started after me, and I was grinding through silver that last week or 2 for end-of-season rewards...this could possibly explain it because a lot of good players were probably doing the same. Now it seems a bit easier due to their time being up, back to just the baddies. These games have felt much easier since preseason started, however it feels difficult to bring in the amount of gold that I used to. They nerfed the gold and xp on most of the camps, so you have to nonstop farm jg just to get by, or have constant successful ganks to make up for camp gold.

With all of this said I will give OP some advice. When you get in Lobby, copy all the "fred has joined" text, all of it, like one big paragraph. Copy and paste into op.gg name search box thing. This will bring up your whole team. Right click each one of them and open in new tab. Now go through and click update for each one. Now you should have 1 tab with your team, and 4 tabs for them. Go back to that first tab and refresh. This will give you an updated summary of roles they play and champs, and for more in depth info use the other tabs for each person. You can see how doesn't get their roles. A guy who got Master did a Youtube video explaining that he dodges if 2 or more people don't get their main/good role. YOU can use this to see if you have an autofill jg. If so, dodge. Problem fixed, since Riot never seems to fix most issues like this, now you can not only fix it for yourself, but if you truly believe it's an issue, now you have a legitimate advantage over all the poor saps who get autofill jg!

Beacon Academy11/30/2019, 1:48:39 AM1 votes

{quoted}

Put 1 and 2 together, and you have a recipe for disaster when your jungler is the player that gets auto filled.

...

Oh wait thats me.

I can play any other role... Just not Jungle xD