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What's the point of the Gameplay boards?

chipndip1·1/26/2020, 11:30:26 PM·33 votes·15,856 views

  • If you make an actual argument about a champion, depending on the champion, it's automatically down voted to hell regardless of the context of what you said.

  • People mindlessly bash Riot to farm up votes.

  • The complaints posted here are contradictory with themselves all the time while begging for some Red to "listen to the community".

  • People whine for game play elements/kits that were removed for good reason constantly.

  • etc.

If I had to sum up why I seem like a grumpy old crab when I'm on these boards, it's because, when I honestly take a step back and think about it, no one here is really trying to discuss game play and balance here. All it is here is whining, crying, circle jerking, and contradiction on a loop. I don't necessarily like how I view these boards, but it's not like I can ignore the fact that this place is absolutely horrible for actually discussing the game...which is stupid because this is supposed to be the main forum for discussing the game.

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Yenn1/27/2020, 12:02:43 AM14 votes

The original purpose was to give feedback to the balance team.

It's also impossible to have actual discussion on Gameplay when any random Bronze III player can drop into a thread and derail it with 'well I can easily beat overpowered champion with Sejuani top, so your argument is invalid'

Śhunpo1/27/2020, 2:45:25 AM14 votes

People mindlessly bash Riot to farm up votes.

No. People bash Riot because they keep dropping the ball with balance changes, even more than previous seasons. We can't go a single patch without at least 5 champions being nye-uncounterable and being extremely frustrating to play against. Champions now have almost all their weaknesses covered now, leaving very little to work with in game.

Let's have a look at their new champ releases, shall we:

Sett : Broken, and Riot refuses to nerf as they are ignoring stats

Aphelios : Arguably the single most broken champion they've ever let loose on Summoner's Rift.

Senna : A support carry that is now better as a carry than an actual support, who possesses almost everything on a single kit.

Qiyana : An assassin with what is essentially perma-stealth, spammable dashes, hard to dodge burst (thanks to E->Q) and 2 stuns; with one of them being a knockback that bursts even tanks. Obviously still extremely broken.

Yuumi : A champion that promotes little to no actual gameplay to the point where a player hit Challenger with two accounts; which he played at the same time.

Sylas : Was an AP bruiser-assassin, now turned full AP assassin...he's never been balanced, and for good reason.

Neeko : An abuser of Glacial Augment and to an extent, a lil bit of on-hit still. Should have been more of clone deception character than LB or Shaco, but Riot just wanted a champ with more damage. Also, she's overbuffed, at least on her E and with her ultimate cooldown. Still, arguably one of the more "fair" releases.

Pyke : A support assassin with 2 hard CC abilities, grey health regen, stealth and an ult that deals a ludicrous amount of damage that ignores shields and grants ~500 gold on average per kill, honestly a champion that was never going to work. Ended up further promoting running more damage-orientated champions in the bot lane, as opposed to actual supports.

Kaisa : Single-handedly broke the game in terms of statistics. At one point she had over a 50% pick rate on Korea with a ~50.45% win rate, meaning she was picked almost every single game (thanks to ban rate as well) and winning more games than she was losing on average. Still, she's an ADC that deals mixed damage, kills tanks+squishies, has poke, has dueling power, has an invis that grants movement speed and a shield that is ridiculously overtuned that also functions as a dash. She's the definition of "don't release me I was never a good idea".

Zoe : I don't need to explain why and how this monstrosity was a terrible idea as Riot has 200+ collective years of professional gameplay design under their belt.

I could have listed more but I think you get the point.

Riot also now has this bad habit where they overbuff champions and then completely forget about nerfing them:

LeeSin Caitlyn Elise Ekko Pyke Tristana Nautilus Leona Evelynn Darius Blitzcrank Ashe all received buffs that really weren't needed as they were at least somewhat balanced, but then Worlds comes along and suddenly Riot turns on the overbuff machine. Now we're here AFTER preseason and those champions still haven't had their buffs reverted, let alone any actual nerfs, and guess what, they're obliterating the games they're on. Woo big surprise!

Riot also likes to forget about certain champions such as:

MonkeyKing Teemo Ziggs Anivia Braum Galio Annie

Seriously, it's once in a blue moon that they ever do anything with these champions anymore. Hell, they're "reworking" Wukong and everything about the rework is terrible...

Ooh ooh, and what about this preseason/season where they added more RNG to the game and made dragons even more oppressive? Ooh, and what about their terrible jungle changes?

Are we supposed to just always say "Thank you Daddy Riot, please treat us like good boys and girls and give us your -insert whatever you want here-"? Cause I sure as hell do not want to do that, as criticism exists for a reason and Riot deserves almost all the recent criticism they've been getting.

If Riot makes a terrible decision then players have every right to constantly post about it and complain. This isn't a fucking university scholarship where you have to censor yourself to get ahead, this is League of Legends. So I say let the "mindless" ranting and posting continue as every single player has a right to say what they want (excluding blatant toxicity).

Also, here's a fun fact, people don't make posts just to farm upvotes, they usually make those posts because they're genuinely concerned about something that's currently going on with the game. It's disgusting that "Gameplay" boards is being attempted to be converted into a budget university forum where you need to write peer-reviewed essays to even get through to pretentious manchildren who think they're engaging in intellectual discussions whenever they discuss the hows and whys of Riot giving a -5 movement speed nerf to Irelia.

Sorry, but this is not what a "Gameplay" board should be about. Constant criticism and venting is what it's all about, as that's how devs know what to change. That said, when the game IS good and when they DO make good decisions we see supportive posts, so it's not all "mindless" bashing of Riot at all, and that's a narrative you've chosen to gone with as now YOU'RE the one trying to farm upvotes since the "Gameplay" boards now directly supports your mindset and behaviour.

Oh, and the fact that most people consider you to be a troll is definitely not helping your case.

haaaaaaalp1/27/2020, 4:15:48 AM9 votes

Few small points

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  • If you make an actual argument about a champion, depending on the champion, it's automatically down voted to hell regardless of the context of what you said.

Making an argument just for the sake of being contrarian doesn't do anyone any good.

  • People mindlessly bash Riot to farm up votes.

Sure but they also get downvoted to hell if they base riot over an asinine subject and get upvoted when they bring up issues other players have.

  • The complaints posted here are contradictory with themselves all the time while begging for some Red to "listen to the community".

Which should be expected seeing as different people can have different contradictory opinions

  • People whine for game play elements/kits that were removed for good reason constantly.

And those posts also get downvoted when the elements were actually removed for a good reason. You can't complain about posts getting downvoted and then bring up a bunch of examples of posts which should get downvoted.

2gudaiya1/26/2020, 11:33:30 PM8 votes

finally someone said it.

Malix Farwin1/27/2020, 10:13:32 AM6 votes

If the gameplay forums are useless its because post like these are useless, i actually blame the community and not Riot on this one. They even tried to get better feedback with Gameplay+. Ultimately the problem is for every good post there are 20+ garbage posts and even on the good posts they get derailed by garbe responses.

If you create a post with well thought out reasoning, statistical data, and reasoning that makes sense then you would be the kinda feedback you they want.

If you however create feedback as following:

champion x sucks i hate this champion Champion should be deleted I don't even have to explain why this champion sucks this champion is just x champion with a different name(or has similar mechanic) this champion essentially has perma-x mechanic x champion breaks the game delete x champion

Then you are the reason why these forums are pointless.

Eedat1/27/2020, 2:05:19 AM5 votes

That's what I've been saying for years. This board has become the most batshit crazy circlejerk where people will upvote the most complete and utter garbage as long as it's a "nerf Yasuo REEEEEEEE" or another approved circlejerk. It's openly hostile to Riot to an insane degree and then people wonder why they dont post here.

People window shop for any statistic that suits their needs at the time. You will have silver players insist "only Master+" or "only competitive" data matters when it lines up with their point. Then you will see those exact same people quote plat+ stats in another thread about another champ because that data is more convenient for them for that discussion.

People have absolutely zero understanding of gameplay design. Yesterday I had someone insist multiple times that Mordekaiser is a mage because he does AP damage.

Champions apparently are not allowed to have kits because even the most basic kits are "overloaded" when it beat them last match. Like I've had people tell me on multiple occasions that even some of the most underloaded kits in the game like Trynd and Voli are "overloaded". It normally starts out with the person just listing what a kit does then calling it overloaded. I guess we should just replace every champ in the game with Darius except remove all his abilities because 'oMg A pUlL, FREE aRmOr PeN, AoE dAmaGe WiTh A HUGE hEaL, bUlLsHiT tRuE dAmGe NuKe ThAt ReSeTs, AnD tWo SloWs!!!!! OVERLOADED!!!!!!111!!!'.

I could write several pages like this but I'm going to cut myself off for my own sanity. This board is completely dead. Popular threads rarely even pass 100 upvotes and people think that's makes it "the voice of the community" lol. It's the laughing stock of the entire community. Everywhere else jokes about how shit this board is. Even the other boards on this site joke about how shit it is. I'm only here because oh habit at this point.

Posui Gart1/27/2020, 10:57:37 AM4 votes

If you make an actual argument about a champion, depending on the champion, **it's automatically down voted to hell **regardless of the context of what you said.

And why do you care? Its just downvotes, they mean nothing

People mindlessly bash Riot to farm up votes.

Again, nobody really cares about whatever number of upvotes someone has.

The complaints posted here are contradictory with themselves all the time while begging for some Red to "listen to the community".

Well thats what you could expect from players that can't accept losing and will cry about anything that beats them while asking for buffs for something they play. Everyone plays different champions/lanes and has a different opinion about what is op.

People whine for game play elements/kits that were removed for good reason constantly.

Basically the same shit. Champion X gets reworked, and is now picked much more(either because people are eager to try something new, because the rework is actually good, because champion X is now op, or all the reasons together), and eventually someone will lose to that. That player will come to the boards and cry "omg reworked champion X is op", his voice will join all the voices of disappointed mains that cry about a mechanic Y that was removed from champion X, and the result is what we have

no one here is really trying to discuss game play and balance here

Everyone is trying to do exactly that, its just that for some players "omg X is op because he can do Y" looks like a proper way to discuss things.

Warmas1/27/2020, 2:48:01 AM3 votes

Yeah you can not even blame them for not listening to forums after what people are doing here. Had many threads explaining problems in pages long explanations and got many downvoting answers like "he is a shit champion" or my personal favorite on the totally having no clue about the game "sion beats vayne easy".

DeathBurst1/27/2020, 3:34:32 PM3 votes

I realize this is just a venting post, but I'll pretend you asked the question seriously as an opportunity to make my own rant ;p

The point of the Gamplay Boards SHOULD be to:

  • Theory craft new builds and off-meta team comp.
  • Learn and teach the "hidden" or "advanced" mechanics of champs: animation cancels, Spell+Flash during the cast time, in which order are your combos more efficient, etc.
  • Discuss match-ups, how to play as or against a specific champ, or even with them (e.g. the infamous "CLICK THE LANTERN!!1!").
  • Discuss more generic mechanics and tricks, like wave manipulation, rotations, etc.
  • Debate on the larger strategy and the meta-game (P.S.: Top lane need help), and potentially on the state of balance for individual champs, even if it comes dangerously close to whine territory.

But if I had to boil it down to just ONE core issue, I think the problem is that people don't come on the Boards to discuss. They come here, mostly, just to tell their opinion, and aren't really interested in the potential replies to their post. And I mean, I plead half-guilty myself with this post, but if people have something to say about it, I'm willing to listen :-)

GFREEMEN1/28/2020, 4:53:06 PM3 votes

Its so the community can bring up gameplay ideas and concerns and for the Mods to Delete anything that shines a bad light on the game and unjustly ban people for bring up gameplay concerns.

xelaker1/28/2020, 5:56:48 AM2 votes

The point is a place to give feedback, but Riot actively hates the playerbase and has abandoned us here. The art peeps are on the forums a lot so kudos to them I guess lol.

The Highest Noon1/27/2020, 5:37:46 PM2 votes

Imagine thinking that the point of Gameplay is to argue and debate instead of just generally talk about this game.

Jbels1/27/2020, 12:32:23 PM2 votes

I had to stop posting here altogether, because anything that looked like even the slightest hint of criticism was being deleted by mods. I have no desire to share my opinions with a board run by tyrannical censorship like that.

kaitlynfeartech1/27/2020, 9:50:51 AM1 votes

If Riot were some small indie game dev I'd agree with your point about constant negativity. They're not; they're a hugely profitable, globally present corporation. I doubt they care one iota about how people behave on these boards, because it affects them to exactly 0 degree. Riot knows their market, they know their profit margins, they know what they can get away with with their playerbase regardless of what surfaces in these boards. They don't need anyone jumping in front of them to shield negativity, I promise. You get nothing out of it and neither do they.