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No such thing as overextended...

Sun Wukong Sun·7/4/2016, 3:26:00 PM·3 votes·535 views

Emphasized Info: I think everybody is missing the point where I said Teemo has no mana, 20 health and no flash. I killed him with my next spirit fire and the whole reason I wanted Vi to come top lane was to help me take the turret. I still had full health and my ult. I wanted her to use the red buff she didn't let me have to do extra true damage to the turret so we could destroy it fast. Her response was that I was overextended. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OVEREXTENDED IF I HAVE FULL HEALTH AND MY LANE OPPONENT HAS 15 DEATH TIMER WITH NO TP.

when you're winning lane.

When my D1 friend is top lane, he pushes the enemy extremely hard under turret. Then his jungler comes and helps him finish off his low health lane opponent and destroy the turret.

Whenever I ping for a gank, my enemy jungler always says, "You're pushed too hard." Then I have to explain, "I'm not pinging because I need a gank, I'm pinging because I have this Teemo with 20 health under his turret with no mana and no flash."

Jungler comes, we get the kill and take turret, I live happily ever after... maybe 5% of the time. The other 95% just tells me, "I can't gank when you're pushed that hard."

It's not that you can't gank, it's that you have some weird mentality that you can only gank when your ally is pushed. FALSE! FALSE! FALSE! Especially when you're a level 7 Vi with red buff!

Stop telling your allies that you can't come to their lane because they're overextended. When I jungle, sometimes I go to lane after the enemy is dead just to help take the turret! In my mind, turret is 10x better than the freaking golems!

10 Comments

Shadòw7/4/2016, 3:34:26 PM2 votes

It's not called ganking but Diving then.

And that is always risky and you have to clearly state in chat that you want your jungler to dive.

JQKAndrei7/4/2016, 3:40:48 PM2 votes

I miss the point where you prove that there's no such thing as "overextended".

Just because in your case you're not overextending, it doesn't mean that the word can't be used for more appropriate situations.

And if your jungle doesn't agree to dive your opponent and you cannot dive him yourself, if you keep staying in front of his turret then yes, that is overextending.

oh that zed7/4/2016, 3:52:34 PM2 votes

so you towerdive and the jungler counterganks you under the tower. he now has tower support. you're taking on hits. teemo blinds you and you stepped on one of his mushrooms. both of you died. your jungler calls you a feeder and never helps you again.

every decision comes with a risk, and towerdiving during laning phase is a big one.

Sun Wukong Sun7/4/2016, 4:38:30 PM1 votes

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so you towerdive and the jungler counterganks you under the tower. he now has tower support. you're taking on hits. teemo blinds you and you stepped on one of his mushrooms. both of you died. your jungler calls you a feeder and never helps you again.

every decision comes with a risk, and towerdiving during laning phase is a big one.

I ended up killing the Teemo by myself, only took 1 more spirit fire.

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I miss the point where you prove that there's no such thing as "overextended".

Just because in your case you're not overextending, it doesn't mean that the word can't be used for more appropriate situations.

And if your jungle doesn't agree to dive your opponent and you cannot dive him yourself, if you keep staying in front of his turret then yes, that is overextending.

Again, killed the Teemo by myself, just wanted help with the tower.

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so you towerdive and the jungler counterganks you under the tower. he now has tower support. you're taking on hits. teemo blinds you and you stepped on one of his mushrooms. both of you died. your jungler calls you a feeder and never helps you again.

every decision comes with a risk, and towerdiving during laning phase is a big one.

For the 3rd time, killed the Teemo by myself. Just wanted help with the tower. My Nasus had 100% health, 40% mana and I still had my ult. When I saw the Teemo "counterpick" in champion selection, I went for Spirit Fire build, squishy Teemo dies in 3 cast. Enemy jungler was Graves and my jungler was Vi , who had red buff and her ult. Would have been a 1v2 against Graves we'd have easily won.

Regardless, I carried my team to victory without a single gank because Vi kept saying I was overextended.

Sun Wukong Sun7/4/2016, 4:42:03 PM1 votes

Just lost a game because enemy jungler Elise came to lane every time Illaoi had me under my turret. They both dived me Darius under turret and both walked away alive each time.

Even more proof that if you're winning lane, no such thing as pushing too hard.

eaglei37/4/2016, 4:44:35 PM1 votes

Overextended is when you go to far down lane without safety. This means a combination of lack of ward coverage, lack of known location on enemy team members, and lack of safe retreat.

What you said TC is a turret dive attempt and has nothing to do with being overextended. Tower dives risk being overextended in the hope that there is not a counterplay to your turret dive as well as possible enemy allies coming to lane to attack you on the extended retreat path.

Coordination can allow a jungler and laner to successfully dive, but this must be communicated ahead of time before counter measures can take place against it.

BluePolarizer7/4/2016, 5:12:37 PM1 votes

Everything is situational. What if the enemy jungler came, stunned you under the turret while Teemo flashes your E, and they walk off with a double?

Your jungler now considers you a useless feeder and won't come near your lane again.

Why are you referring to what diamonds do? You aren't diamond nor are you close so don't worry about it.