True damage should be removed from the game

FeXUyzmL4l·9/3/2016, 6:55:06 AM·5 votes·1,683 views

There's no counter to it, and most champions who do true damage don't require a skill shot to unload it...more hp is not a solution as it doesn't counter it. Take last game I dominate a garen hardcore, all game i killed him over and over and over. Late game then i'm fighting 2/3 this unfed garen can just run up and 1200 true damage ult me...It makes no logical sense and has no place in a game that's competitive. From garen to darius, to fiora, or vayne and countless others.

I mean think about this for a second, say mechanically you're better than your opponent, you're smarter, faster, make better buy decisions yet when it comes to fighting you're guarenteed to take x amount of damage and there's nothing you can do about it. No dodging, no building against it, nothing, just take it...it's absolutely ridiculous.

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OneMustFall9/3/2016, 7:19:19 AM8 votes

lol

Tired of complaining about champs today, we're moving onto mechanics? Or is this really an anti-Garen post, I can't tell...

CerealBoxOfDoom9/3/2016, 12:02:28 PM6 votes

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There's no counter to it, and most champions who do true damage don't require a skill shot to unload it...more hp is not a solution as it doesn't counter it. Take last game I dominate a garen hardcore, all game i killed him over and over and over. Late game then i'm fighting 2/3 this unfed garen can just run up and 1200 true damage ult me...It makes no logical sense and has no place in a game that's competitive. From garen to darius, to fiora, or vayne and countless others.

I mean think about this for a second, say mechanically you're better than your opponent, you're smarter, faster, make better buy decisions yet when it comes to fighting you're guarenteed to take x amount of damage and there's nothing you can do about it. No dodging, no building against it, nothing, just take it...it's absolutely ridiculous.

it sounds more like you just made the wrong decisions despite being smarter, faster, or whatever supposedly

what good is removing true damage if it still wont make you a good decision maker?

Pew Pew Lasers9/3/2016, 1:03:16 PM4 votes

I'm tired of you complaining about champions because you dont know how to deal with them.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

CobaltTheMadMage9/3/2016, 5:11:28 PM3 votes

Velkoz Specimen contains abnormally high concentrations of sodium chloride and saline solution.

WoonStruck9/3/2016, 7:23:32 AM3 votes

Garen's is fine.

Garen has nearly no way to contribute mid-late game unless someone is the Villain.


Vayne is fine if she doesn't do a shit-tonne of base damage along with her W procs. Tumble buffs need to be reverted. Her ult's damage steroid needs to change. Have it grant %attackspeed, but reduce AD so her true-damage is what shines.

Stat-checking because she deals both high flat physical damage along with %HP true damage is what makes her an issue, and honestly a boring champion. Her gameplay is 90% just stagger-stepping away from someone or after someone running away because she stat-checks the shit out of them.

Fiora is not fine.

Vel'Koz is not fine (not op atm, but needs changes regardless). AoE delete-team-beam is not exactly interesting/interactive with how insanely safe he is.


Let's also add that, this season, true damage is the least of a problem as its ever been, since there are so many % damage increases via masteries that do not affect true damage in any way.

Beoridas9/3/2016, 11:50:33 AM3 votes

Do you make a thread to convince us? or are you trying to convince yourself how of a dominant mind you have and we cant grasp your flawless logic? Either way, you are wasting your time. Its pretty pointless to come in with such little experience of the game thinking that an aimless rant would contribute anything.

Im not a huge fan of true dmg personally. But that doesnt mean it doesnt have its uses or that it cannot be handled--because it can.

Astôlfo9/3/2016, 1:01:27 PM1 votes

Except. For every single champion that deals true, they are balanced around the fact they deal true. And the majority of their damage is still physical or magical. Only a little bit is true. And to get the true damage, they need to accomplish some specific goal. And unless it's % health, you can build health to counter it too. And almost every single, if not all, true damage champion is all single-target focus only. Don't 1v1 them if you're not confident you can.

Quit whining.

FeXUyzmL4l9/3/2016, 7:19:48 AM1 votes

Lol of-course only the downvote trolls lurk here, silly me, all the real players left a long time ago and post on reddit only.

ItsOrval9/3/2016, 1:07:57 PM1 votes

True damage should be removed? Ok, heres a list of what also should be removed

Stealth Damage Attack Speed Movement Speed Armor Armor Pen Magic Resist Ability Power Critical Strike Abilities Speed Boosts Summoner Spells Life Steal Spell Vamp Health Mana Energy Health Regen

I think thats about it

oSEXYPLATYPUSo9/3/2016, 1:42:28 PM1 votes

man do you hold the record for the most amount of down votes on your post and comments?

i bet you are close.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Risk of Fate9/3/2016, 1:51:35 PM1 votes

Ahem, True damage, as annoying as it is, is not really as big of a deal as you make it out to be. Fristly, let me say first that Spell Vamp was already removed apart from some champions having it back when they pulled Will of the Ancients. And as with Yi and red buff. Crest of Cinders deals 4 - 38 (based on level) bonus true damage three times (from the wiki). In total, that's about 127 damage to one person. Not sure if there's a reset or a stack, but there you go.

Blade of the Ruined King does not do True damage, it does

UNIQUE Passive: Basic attacks deal 6% of the target's current Health in bonus physical damage (max 60 vs. monsters and minions) on hit. Life Steal applies >to this damage. UNIQUE Active: Deals 10% of target champion's maximum Health (min. 100) as physical damage, heals for the same amount, and steals 25% of the target's >Movement Speed for 3 seconds (90 second cooldown).

AKA, can be blocked with straight Armor.

Vayne might be considered high if it weren't for the fact she has short range and is better suited for being a Tank Melter.

Every third consecutive attack or ability against an enemy deals an additional 6/7.5/9/10.5/12% of the enemy's maximum Health as true damage.Deals a >maximum of 200 damage vs. Monsters and a minimum of 40/60/80/100/120 damage vs. all targets.

If you're building health, yes you are going to have a bad time in trying to fight her so it's better that an APC can pop her before she manages to get autos off.

Darius is another oddball in the fact that yes, while he does a lot of True Damage, he does fairly little if he doesn't get Hemorrhage stacks off and is more suited to killing ADCs and APCS.

Leaps to target enemy champion and strikes a lethal blow, dealing 100/200/300 (+75% bonus Attack Damage) true damage. For each stack of Hemorrhage >on the target, Noxian Guillotine deals an additional 20% damage. Maximum Damage: 100/200/300If Noxian Guillotine kills the target, it may be re-cast at no cost within 20 seconds.At rank 3, Noxian Guillotine unlocks - its >cooldown resets entirely on kills and it no longer has a Mana cost.

Tanks and heavy CC can keep Darius down as he needs to be fairly close to his target to get it off. Which means why aren't you peeling for the carry and allowing him to get his stacks off in the first place?

Garen, however, does do a lot of true damage which is pretty much his entire kit. As soon as his ult goes on CD, he's just a Beyblade with no other real purpose so building a GA is great if you're very squishy.

The enemy champion with the most recent kills is the Villain. Garen's attacks deal additional true damage to that champion.

Garen can call upon the might of Demacia to deal a finishing blow to an enemy champion that deals damage based upon how much health his target has >missing. This damage is true damage against the Villain.

Passive: The enemy champion with the most recent kills is the Villain. Judgment and basic attacks against it deal an additional 1% of its maximum health as >true damage. Active: Garen calls upon the might of Demacia to attempt to execute an enemy champion, dealing magic damage equal to 175/350/525 plus 28/33/40% of >the target's missing health. Deals true damage to the Villain.

Again, CC and tanks who aren't marked can at the very least hold them at bay while someone just builds Armor Penetration and ruin him.

Btw, didn't hear you complain about Ahri who's Q deals 40/65/90/115/140 (+35% Ability Power) magic damage on the way out, and 40/65/90/115/140 (+35% Ability Power) true damage on the way back.Ahri gains movement speed that decays while her orb is traveling. Keep in mind that it's on a roughly 4 second Cooldown, so basically she can do about 500-600 True damage late game.

Grimspeake9/3/2016, 1:53:36 PM1 votes

Gameplay and bronze

Sanctimonious9/3/2016, 5:07:19 PM1 votes

Uhhhh item 3083 item 3143 item 3110 ?

If It's vayne / Irelia, you can counter build her attack speed, Same with irelia. Fiora is pretty BS, Not gonna lie. Garens got his own issues. Just stay away when you're goldenboi xD

oSEXYPLATYPUSo9/3/2016, 5:12:55 PM1 votes

the counter to true damage is HP how do you say there is no counter?

zXr6669/3/2016, 7:20:33 AM1 votes

Garen? I thought he was talking about Darius....

RogueWill9/3/2016, 5:20:43 PM1 votes

Dude Gareb True-Damage Ult do not scale out of anything out of levels so is the same if you dumper garen or if he dumpster you, if you are the villain you will get a shit ton of true damage

FeXUyzmL4l9/3/2016, 11:36:44 AM1 votes

Downvote trolls hate threads that make too much sense, hurts their little brains i'm sure.

FioraWillCarry9/3/2016, 7:20:28 AM1 votes

Fuck true damage. Lets remove Leblanc instead.