why is banning a champ in league seem like chopping a head off of a hydra
It seems like if you ban "x" you will just get "y" who is better than the one you ban And then if you ban the "y" you will just get "x" or "z"
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Because in a game with about 140 characters, there's plenty of shit you don't like playing against.
Unless you're playing with a premade 5 stack, bans are fucking useless.
#1 there's not enough time in pregame to discuss picks and strategy. So bans are meaningless. If you're not trying to set something up then there's no point in banning anything.
If you're trying to set up and AOE lock down, and you want to ban Janna so she doesn't screw with your positioning then that means something, otherwise it's just a meaningless mechanic to make you feel like you have an impact.
Can't tell you how many times I've had to play Vayne because Kai'Sa ended up being Picked/Banned. As annoyed as I was, I ended up learning a champion that was completely foreign to me since I figured they played similarly to one another.
Off topic "I pity the Hydra, so many heads intent on sharing the meal" - Tahm Kench, The River King
I wish we had ban phases like the LCS does.
"Oh look. He picked kog maw. We can ban janna/lulu now."
Didn't check your profile, but mostly, don't ban the top meta picks. At least until Plat, meta isn't really important, so just ban something for YOUR lane that you don't want/know how to play against, or ban a Jungler you don't like.
Thing is, before you reach high MMR, the players' skill are much more important than the champions potential, because no one can actually use this potential fully. So you should be much more worried about a Yorick main who know their shit than by a first time GP who picked him only because he's meta. Except you can't know in advance you're against a Yorick main. So don't stress about bans, relax, and just ban something you personally don't like.
And if you don't really care, ask your team-mates what they want. Most people would want more than 1 ban ^^
Alternatively, you can use this website, when it works: http://bestbans.com/ (It currently doesn't, for quite some time already.)
the answer is: riot balancing
I just ban whoever I can't stand to play against.
I can handle most OP picks, but I cannot handle a riven top lane or a xerath mid.
Just autoban Yasuo because no one likes him on either team anyways lol
That's why I just ban annoying stuff rather than worry about what is OP or UP. If you are still playing what you know well then most of the time you're going to beat the FOTM sheeple who just follow what is OP each patch (because they won't know what they are doing most of the time).
in season 4 I would strategize banning so that if I was on purple team, I'd refuse to ban the 5th op champion so that there were 2 op champions available. That countered their first pick power pick with mine.
Now I just ban some annoying braindead lane counterpick because there's 50 champs that need to be banned.
I now pretty much ban more based off pickrate than winrate which is sad.
Because there will always be top picks and counter picks. You'll never reach a state where you ban ONLY your counters like LCS because there are a LOT more viable odd ball picks in soloQ.
Also like someone else said there are over 100 champs in the game, you cant ban every pick you dont like to play against.
Because meddler and ghostcrawler instead of continuing balancing of morello decided to turn this game into clown fiesta for noobs and casuals and buffed the sht out of too many champs. 4 years ago there were picks that were broken but 6 bans were enough to contain broken champs because the rest of them were manageable and had clear weaknesses and required more than just brainless spamming spells off cooldown. Here is your answer.
Because in the end, you have to end up playing agaisnt something.
I just find it funny cause use to be only 3 people could ban and now we all can ban and i still see some dum dums choose to ban nobody or someone on their own lineup xD or the bottom pick wants you to leave someone open and the enemy picks them haha...classic
I feel a lot of the same way.... in levels of play like mine, the typical pattern I observe in the mid lane is with assassins. I tend to hold my own in a rough stalemate with assassins, because I usually play a champion that doesn't counter them well because he's my main and I know him best. But, after about 15 minutes or so of me denying them kills, they just roam to another lane, and no matter how many times I ping, my allies usually ignore me and just die, allowing them to snowball.
If I ban Zed, they pick Katarina. If those are both gone, they pick Talon. If Talon isn't available, they pick Kassadin. If they don't pick Kassadin, they have Fizz. There are so many assassins, you could master 3 and never get banned out. There are so many champions that fill very similar roles that picking a couple of them makes you un-bannable.
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Just ban Zoe fam.
My point was that repeatedly you have imagined that I or Riot have thought or said things (which never actually happened), and you specifically imagined them in a way that made you feel more justified in being angry about them.
I'm willing to consider possibilities, but I'm not willing to jump to conclusions. Is it possible that they don't care? Yeah, but it's not likely. Not with all the different moving pieces that factor into their actions.
And you have no evidence of them refusing to fix things. Possible negligence or mistakes - those two things you might have a case with. But straight up refusing to fix the game? I doubt it.
Considering timelines, human error, and hype over new ideas, it would seem to me like there are plenty of reasons they could be messing things up without doing so maliciously.
You're ignoring workflow and schedules. Their devs can't just drop everything they are doing to pay attention solely to the latest hydra to rear it's head. If they worked re-actively like that they would be running around all the time like chickens with their heads cut off. Nothing valuable would get done and they'd be in a constant state of panic overcompensating changes all the time and just throwing the game's balance even worse out of whack.
Negligence is as bad as straight up refusing to fix things. And their negligence comes from obvious benefits that they have from game being in such state. The game has been changing into clown fiesta for casuals. It is obvious that if game is easier and you can do flashy oneshots without even sweating it is more popular between noobs and casuals. And they make at least half if not more of lol players population. So riot basically shown middle finger to every veteran player or any player who want a competitive game where your skill matters for the sake of earning money. And let me remind you that their Devs suddenly can instantly add changes to pbe if the problem concerns their chosen one classes/champs if they are too weak. Suddenly every other big work is getting cancelled for a while just to fix their prescious ADCs for example, but they refuse to even start on thinking how to fix problems that are not that hard to fix but been here for months or years. It is obvious bias driven by greedyness.
I perma ban master yi. The only champion as retard as that one is veigar, but i prefer vs veigar than die to a 5-0 master yi at lvl 6
Because most of the champions you want to ban aren't legitimately unbalanced, you just don't like playing against them.
You must play toplane!
Ya, whenever I banned Diana, they'd pick Akali. Even blind pick it before I picked...
Started banning Akali though, and fortunately don't see Diana getting picked instead.