What exactly happens with winrate balancing and MMR?

Ramyskie·1/27/2018, 8:14:05 PM·28 votes·3,627 views

So say if i perform consistently and go on a win streak, what happens to my teammates and opponents skill level? It is very frustrating to see that when I go on a win streak, the skill level of opponents do not increase, but instead my teammate's falls below the plat standard. Is this intended? My games become harder and harder to carry while I still perform at my best compare to my other games...

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TylerBrah1/27/2018, 9:00:43 PM12 votes

Yep and it is intended.

Sucks, I know. But as long as Riot lapdogs keep defending it and acting like it doesn't exist, the less inclined people will be to do anything about it.

Ariel the Cruel1/28/2018, 5:26:51 AM8 votes

re-posting this. Seems relevant.

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Not exactly.

The system will not let you advance unless you can prove you're able to play at a higher level. So it will statistically stack the odds against you slightly. Whether that's by giving you lower MMR team mates, or higher MMR enemies (affecting the team average). If you're on a winning streak, the system will try to force you back to 50% win rate. This also results in higher MMR enemies / lower MMR allies. Neither of these systems purposefully give you "bad" allies. They give you enemies that are statistically better than your allies.

If you're on a massive winning streak and in promos... RiP.


Also. When match making tries to make a balanced team, it will average everyone's MMR. That means pairing the best player in a group with the worst. This isn't unique to promos though; just some perspective. Being in promos means your at the highest MMR tier for that division. So all players will either be a higher division, or worse than you.

SilentBomber1/28/2018, 5:53:33 PM3 votes

The more games you win in a streak the worse teammates you get.I agree too.

AmazoX1/28/2018, 1:53:20 AM2 votes

Wouldn't it be better if this did not happen?

  • Imagine you are on a winning streak, your true skill is of a challenger but the system screws you over. Would't it be better just for the system to actually put you up with challengers during that point even if you are not challenger?

#But by steps of course.

#What OP said

So say if i perform consistently and go on a win streak, what happens to my teammates and opponents skill level? It is very frustrating to see that when I go on a win streak, the skill level of opponents do not increase, but instead my teammate's falls below the plat standard. Is this intended? My games become harder and harder to carry while I still perform at my best compare to my other games...

#Just a statement

A player is platinum, on a 10 matches win streak, system gives him teammates worse than his skill level instead of giving him teammates that are on par with him vs opponents who are also near/equal level while boosting the LP gain & possibly skipping divisions based on what the ranks of the opponents he keeps facing so that he becomes near their rank quicker considering they are DIAMOND ONE ( 1 )

I have no way to confirm this right now but does the statement above happen right now or just what the OP said?

haaaaaaalp1/28/2018, 4:19:27 AM2 votes

As you win, the mmr if your allies and opponents both go up. Whether or not this translates to how well they play ingame in this crazy meta is up in the air.

Ifneth1/28/2018, 5:41:45 PM2 votes

This is a common misconception, often caused by seeing a winstreak end because of something you could not control, and enabled by a misunderstanding of matchmaking.

If you win a game, then your MMR will go up a little, and the game will match you around that new MMR. Your opponents and teammates will be better. If you go on a winstreak, then your MMR will go up a little more each time than the last, eventually putting you with opponents and teammates around your real skill level. Here’s why this feels like the cards are stacked against you.

Your winstreak might have had a little luck, or not, but regardless your skill was behind most of it. But each win makes your opponents a little better, meaning that you get fed less easily and have a harder time pushing your lead. Eventually, they’ll be so hard that getting fed will be a 50/50, and so will pushing your lead. But because it’s gradual you won’t notice until someone on your team inevitably trolls or feeds. And then you remember some half-heard thing about 50% winrate and say, “Ah, see, it wasn’t my fault. I could have climbed further but the game held me back.”

And so you feel a little sorry for yourself. Which is fine. I do too, and sometimes whine to a friend, if ‘muh tee-yum’ throws a match. But then I remind myself that if I were much lower than I deserved, then odds are I could have carried the game before it got out of hand. And besides, if even if I am near my true rank, then the trolls will be on the other team half the time anyway.