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Riot Blastoise's interpretation of mastery curves doesn't make sense

AirKingNeo·12/28/2018, 2:11:48 AM·2 votes·1,964 views

https://twitter.com/RiotBlaustoise/status/1075515587617423360

You should first know that Blastoise is hiding statistics in this argument. He claims Jax's lower player base (pick rate) causes more winrate fluctuation, but then doesn't show any data to support that claim. He shows Ivern's graph, but not Jax's. Please note that Ivern's pickrate is dramatically worse than Jax's, by nearly 10 times.

It's also important to note that this argument is disingenuous. There should be a similar percent of players getting lower winrates on Riven as their are Jax. If, for example, 10% of Jax mains are statistic inaccuracies, then should also be roughly 10% of Riven mains who are statistical accuracies. It's the same elo/skill level, so statistical, inaccuracies should be similar. Blastoise only says Jax has this issue. That means the number of statistical inaccuracies doesn't seem to be the same. This means that, on average, Riven mains have a higher winrate than Jax players. That's why as you go into high and higher elo, like Master, Riven's winrate dramatically increases while Jax's stagnates.

There is also the huge issue with Blastoise's data not listing ELO. Jax is a lot stronger in low elo, while Riven is a lot stronger in high ELO. If we're talking game balance or design, we should be dealing with high elo. I can only presume this is all elos accounted for rather than high elo, which makes this graph look very favorable for Riven in terms of not looking as overpowered.

13 Comments

Apocalypsic12/28/2018, 2:14:26 AM6 votes

He already shows all of the informational stats about Jax in a previous post.

MagicFlyingLlama12/28/2018, 2:42:51 AM4 votes

I dont like these results, it must be a CONSPIRACY!

chipndip112/28/2018, 5:07:43 AM3 votes

I know you love yourself some Hashinshin, but like I've said time and time again, you cross into blatant fanboy-ism way too much.

Blaustoise has no reason to lie about the statistical evidence he's talking about. The graphs in and of themselves showcased that Riven's lower end players are REALLY FREAKING BAD, but the mains end up doing significantly better. Meanwhile, Jax's lower end players have a much lower skill floor and similar gains at his skill ceiling, anyway. Jax is an easier tool that does just as much as Riven does in the current state of the game, and a Jax player like Hashinshin has no reason to complain about Riven because he's playing an easier champ that's similarly effective in solo queue. That was the point of this whole thing between him and Hashinshin.

To say otherwise when a dude's literally giving empirical data and explaining it in detail because he has access to all the empirical data is a new degree of mental gymnastics that would even make a pretzel need a chiropractor.

SwiftKitten8812/29/2018, 4:31:32 AM1 votes

what concerns me most about this post is the "yellow" range on those graphs doesn't start until they reach 55% winrate... [sg-janna]

im your breaching 53% or going under 46%... your an issue a 10% winrate gap is WAY too large for a balance range

48-51% should be green

46-47, 52-53% should be yellow <46 and >53 should be red

and thats for EVERY elo

yellowing meaning on the topic for discussion for how to fix in the next patch or two.. and red meaning immediate hotfix