The meta abuse is so real

Big Ol Idiot Man·May 16, 2017·2 votes·2,315 views

I recently picked up Ezreal jungle, because I find it fun and it actually works pretty well. But even when I do well, I get NOTHING but flame, from both teams. I can be 6 and 0 and I get called a troll and told I suck.

Just cuz it isn't meta doesn't make everything it does trolling or intentional feeding.

A sampling of my favorite flames so far:

"Thanks for the free LP Ez" Was 6 and 2, mid kat was 0 and 5

"Are we reporting this f****** troll? I assume so" Was 5 and 4

"Maybe if you picked a real jungler you would have won" Was 2 and 1

(Will edit as more hilarious quotes come along)

Edit: "Jungle Ez? More like get reported"

Edit 2: "Jungle Ez or Jungle Leo? Which is better? Who wins?" (Answer: Ezreal)

Edit 3: "If this works I'll gift you a skin" (Didn't get a skin, but I was just an assist bot so shrug)

69 Comments

MrHaZeYoMay 16, 20174 votes

In theory anything can work anywhere, but their are reasons why it isn't ideal.

Ez has no cc, no strong wave clear, no durability. weak ganks, weak invades. He just isn't ideal as a jungler.

You're currently 1-4 (plus how you finish in you're current game) in the last 5 (6) matches, as JG EZ, I mean i understand you're not trolling but can't you see why others would think so?

It's one thing to play champions out of the current meta, but to play complete bonker picks is another.

Big Ol Idiot ManMay 16, 20171 votes

So there is the thing: he works. Bizarre, but its true.

As I stated, I just picked it up, so my execution is poor still and my build is still evolving, but as I have figured it, Ezreal has surprisingly fast and healthy clear, even better than those of Graves in my opinion. And his level 3 gank is absolutely absurd. He puts out a shocking amount of damage and can usually secure an early kill after doing red, blue, and gromp alone.

While this doesn't make him top tier, it certainly doesn't make him trash tier. He simply has a meh midgame (as he would in bot lane) and a similar late game, which makes him no different than having an adc go into another lane.

WarpesMay 16, 20173 votes

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So there is the thing: he works. Bizarre, but its true.

As I stated, I just picked it up, so my execution is poor still and my build is still evolving, but as I have figured it, Ezreal has surprisingly fast and healthy clear, even better than those of Graves in my opinion. And his level 3 gank is absolutely absurd. He puts out a shocking amount of damage and can usually secure an early kill after doing red, blue, and gromp alone.

While this doesn't make him top tier, it certainly doesn't make him trash tier. He simply has a meh midgame (as he would in bot lane) and a similar late game, which makes him no different than having an adc go into another lane.

just because he can jungle clear and get a few kills doesn't equate to "works"

you didn't even read what the person you responded to wrote. a good jungler isn't there to simply get a couple kills, it has to have the right tools to ensure wins - good ganks, some form of cc, ability to get the lanes fed, good objective control, and more often than not the ability to aid in teamfights somehow - which more than 1 basic adc becomes a liability in instead. And pretty much the best an adc jungler can do with 0 ganking tools, other than straight damage, is cleanup.

in otherwords, your kd doesn't matter whatsoever if you can't carry your team and win matches.

you pick a jungler to win, not for a selfish off meta pick that you think is "cool". there's a reason why a certain standard meta exists. and if you picked him jungle in a ranked i was in i would straightup report you, and/or flame you, too.

Big Ol Idiot ManMay 16, 20171 votes

You can report me all you wish, I can't and won't stop you.

But the instant you press enter on your toxic message, you get a fat report headed your way. If either of us gets punished, it'll be you mate.

Cheers <3

WarpesMay 16, 20175 votes

{quoted}

You can report me all you wish, I can't and won't stop you.

But the instant you press enter on your toxic message, you get a fat report headed your way. If either of us gets punished, it'll be you mate.

Cheers <3

so in otherwords you really are just a troll looking for drama. should have been obvious from your OP

Big Ol Idiot ManMay 16, 20171 votes

More accurately, I am a player who wants to play what he wants where he wants, and not be flamed by jerkoffs like yourself. But whatever floats your boat champ

WarpesMay 16, 20174 votes

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More accurately, I am a player who wants to play what he wants where he wants, and not be flamed by jerkoffs like yourself. But whatever floats your boat champ

oh waaaaah. good luck with that kid.

you play childishly and selfishly, be prepared to be treated childishly and get flamed. from your responses I picture you kicking and screaming "i don't care! i wanna do what I WANT TO DO, i wanna i wanna" since this is apparently what it's really about for you, rather than legitimately trying to make it work.

but that's not how the game or real life works. time to grow up.

Big Ol Idiot ManMay 16, 20171 votes

The irony of the situation is that you are doing exactly what you are describing. Any time someone wants to do something you don't agree with, you cry and go "No! Do it MY way!" Because you are the selfish one, in all actuality. You have to have all the fun. No fun for anyone else.

My fun. [zombie-nunu-bummed]

WarpesMay 16, 20172 votes

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The irony of the situation is that you are doing exactly what you are describing. Any time someone wants to do something you don't agree with, you cry and go "No! Do it MY way!" Because you are the selfish one, in all actuality. You have to have all the fun. No fun for anyone else.

My fun. [zombie-nunu-bummed]

Yes because we are incapable of having fun unless we're causing drama and trolling/griefing our teammates. Is that what you're getting at? Cus that's what it sounds like to me. And with all the quotes in your original post I'm pretty sure you just confirmed that for all of us, kiddo.

You can do what you want, sure. I can't stop you. But don't expect people not to flame you, like you want oh so bad, you poor thing.

And more importantly, don't expect it to actually "work". You made a post, and people replied. And they replied with why it doesn't actually work, and downvotes. You got your answer and now you're crying about it. Shrug

Big Ol Idiot ManMay 16, 20171 votes

If your argument is that by picking an off meta champion than I should be flamed on principle, then you have a horrid mindset.

Playing off meta is not trolling.

Flaming is against the Summoners Code.

WarpesMay 16, 20174 votes

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If your argument is that by picking an off meta champion than I should be flamed on principle, then you have a horrid mindset.

Playing off meta is not trolling.

Flaming is against the Summoners Code.

Well ya see, that's exactly my point kiddo. I have no problem whatsoever with "off meta" picks. In fact, I'm both a jungle main and someone who advocates off meta for fun.

But Ezreal jungle is not off meta. It's a troll pick. And it's basically griefing if you pick it in ranked. And you deserve to lose and be flamed for said troll/grief pick.

Like I said tho, go cry about it. Or you can grow up and realize this is a team game, with other players who have to suffer through your childish nonsense for 20-50 minutes.

ChønklordMay 16, 20171 votes

Umm... You realize off-meta means playing anything that isn't considered standard for that particular season/patch/whatever...

That includes Ezreal jungle.

DrCyanideMay 16, 20172 votes

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Umm... You realize off-meta means playing anything that isn't considered standard for that particular season/patch/whatever...

That includes Ezreal jungle.

Off Meta isn't just playing something different. It's knowing what trade-offs you're making with playing that way, understanding which ways you're weaker than meta and which ways you're stronger.

For example, AP Ezreal vs AD Ezreal. You're trading consistent poke damage for burst damage. You get a significantly stronger ultimate, but you are also more risky since you need to use E to go in for damage.

Ezreal isn't usually harassed too hard in lane, so jungle doesn't help him avoid that. Ezreal misses out on the ability to take advantage of his Q poke in the Jungle. He doesn't have burst potential without going AP, and he doesn't have CC to help lock down a target for a gank.

In short, Jungle Ezreal is probably less effective than Support Ezreal. I'm really failing to see what he brings to the table that another Jungler would not.

ChønklordMay 16, 20171 votes

Off-meta doesn't always mean it's going to be better than or as good as meta playstyles/builds/roles; it just means you're doing something different.

It may be worse, it may not. Still not bannable or reportable, even in ranked.

WarpesMay 16, 20171 votes

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Umm... You realize off-meta means playing anything that isn't considered standard for that particular season/patch/whatever...

That includes Ezreal jungle.

But therein lies the difference... off meta is fine, and it's one thing. Troll picking Ezreal jungle, isn't. Because that's what it is, a flat out troll pick, nothing else. It's a pretty obvious difference.

"Off meta" would be taking AP ezreal mid, or even bot. Or Adc Ezreal top, for instance. They're viable because they have the tools to lane that way. Ezreal jungle has 0 jungle tools, and is not viable jungling, for anything except cleanup kills. That's a troll pick.

And OP either made this thread specifically to troll further, and doesn't actually believe it to be good, himself. Or he's child who bitches and whines until he gets what he wants, and what he want is something to be considered good, despite everyone telling him it's complete and utter shit.

My money is on the second one, but In the end, I honestly don't really care which he is. I'm just stating facts.

ChønklordMay 16, 20171 votes

I don't think you understand what trolling means.

WarpesMay 16, 20171 votes

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I don't think you understand what trolling means.

Well hey that's why I said my money was on him just being a crybaby. Glad we're on the same page here.

MysterQMay 16, 20171 votes

He isn't joking though. He now has 6/7 wins after he started building TriForce. His first two wins were vs a Leona and Yorick jungle. But outside of that he has played vs "real" junglers. I am not sure how his games are going, but if he is making it work then we can't call it a troll pick anymore.

MysterQMay 16, 20174 votes

I'm open to trying new and fun things. But your attitude in this thread is terrible. You come in here seeking help, but then you just tell everyone they are wrong. If you lose, of course your team will be upset at you. You can say it isn't your fault look at my scoreline, but the scoreline doesn't tell the whole game. If I just run away and never gank I wouldn't have any deaths either, but I wouldn't be a good jungler. If you win, unless you are fed beyond belief, I would imagine teammates will say we could have won easier with a real jg main.

Someone said it looked fun. I have seen it in someone's match history once. You can do it if you want. But don't expect praise from anyone unless you truly do something great.

Big Ol Idiot ManMay 16, 20171 votes

A: This thread was never about help. This thread pointed out an issue. When a nonmeta pick is...well...picked... toxicity is almost immediate. Doesn't see it happen, doesn't hear the player out, they simply flame from the start. Spam GG. Flame the player. B: I haven't told anyone they were wrong (save Mr. Flames McQueen). You can say whatever you want works. You can say whatever you want DOESN'T work. That is your opinion, as it is mine. I believe jungle Ezreal can work if tuned enough, which I am currently working on, with increasing success. Simply telling me in a post things that I already know won't change my mind. I know he isn't top tier (which I already said). But most champions aren't top tier. That's why there is a top tier to begin with. And I am under 0 obligation to play a champion solely because they are broken.

I'm not good at Lee Sin. So I won't play him. Because I will lose. It is MORE likely that I am trolling if I play Lee simply because I don't know how to play him.

MysterQMay 16, 20171 votes

As I said, do what you want. And I am usually open to trying new and fun things, I personally won't flame you but I certainly won't praise you (unless you break the game). I recently did a 5-man queue. Our jg literally said he only plays mid or Zac jungle, who was reworked. So he decides to queue Fizz jg. I was skeptic, the only thing I said was that is unusual. His statline was fine, but I still 100% believe we lost that game because of him. He was a fine Fizz, but he wasn't a jungler. He didn't build jg. He never ganked for us (although he ganked other lanes). At the end, I didn't flame him or anything, but I certainly don't want to play with him on FIzz Jg in ranked again. And his statline was only fine because he was literally only their for cleanup assassinations, which is what Fizz wants to do but that doesn't help the team much. (Same time, I have had poor games with premade 4s and I am sure they have thought the same about me).

Learn the champion. I will say hopefully in normals, because people who want to climb want to actually climb. Communicate with your team. You say your level 3 gank is beastly, let them know you will gank x Lane at level 3 and be prepared. Otherwise just say I am going to afk farm or whatever and let them adjust heir playstyle too.

If you just pick jg Ez without communication though. I probably would report you.

Big Ol Idiot ManMay 16, 20172 votes

" I personally won't flame you but I certainly won't praise you"

THERE. THAT. THAT RIGHT THERE.

That exact quote is what this thread is about. THIS is what it should be. You wanna report the off meta because he either fed, or maybe he didn't feed but he didn't really shine so you lost, sure. That is totally fine and within your right.

What isn't in anyone's right is to go into the game with a toxic attitude and start barraging a player before the game has even started. That's straight up against the Summoner's Code and is a legitimately bannable offence, yet some people think that they are justified solely because "it isn't a real X".

If you have an issue with it, open a discussion. Don't open mid, spam GG, and ping "X - Alive/ X - Dead" all game.

MysterQMay 16, 20171 votes

Unfortunately, I think Riot does not have access to Lobby chat logs. So if you are flamed in only the lobby, you will need screenshots and a manual report. Although I bet you get flamed in game plenty to report. And anyone who really hates your pick can just dodge.

ZT XperimentorMay 16, 20171 votes

Problem is the meta-maniacs and esport boot lickers have made this game into a hostile environment if you aren't playing 'the best'.

AgeOfTheMageMay 16, 20172 votes

mean, with off meta it's eithr you do good and allies don't complain, or you fail and allies think you're trolling,. I mean, my friend went ezreal jg and did great, he is an adc main tjhough

FrightningMay 16, 20172 votes

Ezreal doesn't have the tools that would lead me to believe that he is actually good in the jungle position (I could be wrong). That's not to say that you can't make it work. I've played plenty of champs in positions that they aren't good at and made it work, but even in those instances, I often recognized that the champion wasn't a good pick, and I won because I played better (or got carried by allies that played well and/or got fed).

So if I were to pick ez jg, I first of all, wouldn't do it in ranked (dunno if you were planning to take him there or not, but don't, unless you're very sure that he's actually a good jungle pick, not just a passable jg pick), but I would consider it ok in norms so long as you actually apply yourself to playing the role and champion effectively (does mean you'll do well, but I want to see that are at least trying to do the job your role and position are supposed to do). Blind normals is the 'casual' queue in this game (and it kind irks me when people try to enforce the meta in blind norms, of all the modes in this game, blind norms is THE mode to experiment in, if you don't want people experimenting in your games so much, play draft or better yet, ranked), that's where I'd try it out first.

I should add that I've played a ton of off-meta stuff, most of it quite successfully mainly because I know what things a champion needs to be able to perform in a given position. Most of the few things that haven't worked so well have generally been champions I figured wouldn't be good at a role, but decided to try it anyways to see (and confirmed that my understand wasn't wrong).

CannonLordFreedMay 16, 20172 votes

It might have something to do with Ezreal not having any of the tools a good jungler would need. I'm all for off meta picks, I played old Galio support all the time and got mastery 7 doing it, but he has the tools in his kit to be a good support. Ezreal lacks most of the tools a jungler has. Specifically: Clearing speed, Gank Potential, Any way to contest objectives, bulk and sustain, and compared to other meta junglers, his mobility is almost nonexistent. The only thing he has going for him is his ultimate, and even then, it's not great. Sure it will get you an assist or maybe a kill, but then the enemy team knows that you're incredibly easy to deal with and have very little control over the game for the next minute at least. These are important things to look at if you want to play off meta or weird picks. You need to know why a champion is off meta, and what they can potentially bring to a role that a meta champion won't. Ezreal brings his ultimate. And it's not that great, and then he doesn't make up for it with the rest of his kit.

Big Ol Idiot ManMay 16, 20171 votes

Ezreal actually has really decent clear speed. Raptor and Krugs get annoying as they do on a lot of junglers not named Lee Sin or Vi, but he can still get through it all pretty quick.

CannonLordFreedMay 16, 20172 votes

Okay. That doesn't change the fact that he can't gank for shit, contest objectives, is squishy as hell, and has very little mobility for a jungler.

Big Ol Idiot ManMay 16, 20171 votes

So I will agree with you that he can't contest objectives very well. His steal potential is sub par at best, horrid at worst. However, he has decent ganks. Saying he can't gank because he doesn't have CC is like saying Master Yi can't gank because he lacks CC. It isn't the CC that he brings to that fight, it's the damage.

And as for mobility, it isn't the best, but it certainly isn't the worst.

CannonLordFreedMay 16, 20171 votes

So what you're saying is he is sub-par to a meta jungler in almost every aspect?

Big Ol Idiot ManMay 16, 20172 votes

Actually what I'm saying is that he is a viable jungler that doesn't excel at everything but does excel at some things.

And guess what!? That's okay! Because that's kind of how a champion is supposed to work!

CannonLordFreedMay 17, 20171 votes

If you're going to play off-meta you need to have more to say than "Oh, he has damage and excels at some things." Your off-meta champ has to actually be able to function in a given role and bring something to the team that a meta champion won't. When I played old Galio, he has his W which was fundamentally broken, and he had an AOE taunt, and was able to perform at a level that was not horrid in all aspects of the support role. Ezreal is completely missing several key things he'd need to be able to do to be a good jungler, and jungling isn't all about damage. A jungler need to have objective control, and the ability to gank in situations where the opponent isn't at the turret. A jungler can be a hyperfarm jungler who just plays PvE for ten minutes, but you'd need to have the ability to actually deal with krugs and raptors. You cannot openly admit that you are missing so many key pieces of a good jungler's kit, then say "Oh, hey, this works, I have damage."

Big Ol Idiot ManMay 17, 20171 votes

But I can. And I will. And I do.

Look mate, if you can't take the idea of Ezreal, who can hit level 3 and gank faster than most other junglers, who can clear every camp with relative ease and health, who can adapt to be either an AP or AD carry depending on the needs of the team composition, as a serious idea on paper, then I can't help you.

It works. Well, in fact. So either try it for yourself or wait until you come across one. Maybe you'll crush it. Who knows. That's how things evolve.

CannonLordFreedMay 17, 20171 votes

Your gank potential is so ridiculously situational though. You can use your E to engage, but then it's on cooldown and you're vulnerable to CC, and you're going to get fucked over. You can walk into lane, but the enemy will see you coming if they actually know what they're doing, and will be prepared to deal with you. Your kit simply lacks the utility or hypercarry potential a jungler has. Sure, he can be either AP or AD, but why not just learn and AD jungler and an AP jungler and change in champ select? Team builder isn't actually a thing anymore.

Big Ol Idiot ManMay 17, 20171 votes

A huge number of junglers have situational ganks. Master Yi has even less ganking potential pre 6 and even post 6 it isn't great. Champions like Fiddle also lack any real gank potential pre 6. Yet those 2 junglers aren't considered troll picks or bad picks.

And yes, they bring totally different things to the team. Master Yi can split and can go absolutely crazy if he gets fed. Fiddlesticks has absurd team fight potential if he gets a solid ult. And Ezreal brings solid poke and exceptional sticking power. Just because you can't or won't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

CannonLordFreedMay 17, 20171 votes

Jungler brings solid poke... I'm just gonna go to sleep now. I think I've seen it all.

Big Ol Idiot ManMay 17, 20171 votes

Good. Hopefully when you awake you won't be so narrow minded.

Stay woke fam

CannonLordFreedMay 17, 20171 votes

Nidalee . That's all I'm going to say.

Scary DoorMay 16, 20172 votes

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I recently picked up Ezreal jungle, because

Literally stopped right there.

If you play Ezreal jungle, then you should be prepared to lose a lot of games and get reported by teammates frequently. Not saying I would report you for playing off-meta, but don't think for a minute I would speak up in your defense to our team and ask them to stop piling on you for being ineffective or useless in games.

Big Ol Idiot ManMay 16, 20172 votes

Lost the first 3 games getting used to it, won a game (which was where I switched up my build a bit), lost a game, then never looked back. Winning pretty heavily now (give or take a few mishaps. Happens)

MysterQMay 16, 20171 votes

I saw your records. And this is in Gold ranked, so congratulations. I hope you don't mind if I add you so I can watch your games.

MrHaZeYoMay 16, 20171 votes

You can watch em without adding him. I watched em last night :P

Use Lolnexus, click spectate. It'll give you a "file" click Windows+r paste link It goes into spectate mode.

Big Ol Idiot ManMay 16, 20171 votes

You can also watch my stream. Kappa ;)

Jinzo TorranceMay 16, 20172 votes

You have to be banned from Riot, then people will agree with you.

HallbusterMay 16, 20172 votes

You guys are a bunch of hypocrites. Counter jungle nunu is also off-meta and upset a lot of players but when he got a 14-day ban handed to him, you were all rooting for him.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/FrILlWp7-14-day-ban-because-playing-nunu-support-with-smite-is-stealing-other-peoples-roles

MysterQMay 17, 20171 votes

When this post was made. It was "Ezreal is fun. And it isn't completely terrible, I can clear camps. I lost 3 games, won 1 game, lose 1 game."

So of course it doesn't look good. But some people here did give him a chance. And now that he has actual wins under his belt, if he posted this later it would be received better. but opening up with it is fun and I lost 4/5 times wasn't helping him. Because in the end wins do matter if you are going into ranked.

MartyrofsandMay 17, 20171 votes

If your doing it in normals then who cares, they are there to piss around and have fun anyway so I don't care what you pick.

That said it's a completely different story in ranked. You are talking about a mode in which people are playing to challenge themselves to be the best they can be and to attain the highest level they can. If you play something that is intentionally suboptimal without a damn good reason then sorry that is selfish and entitled as you are intentionally making the game harder for 4 other people simply because you like it.

That doesn't mean sometimes something stupid off meta can't be used. Hell I've ran Morgana top lane before because at the time I didn't have a top lane champ and because my opponent was playing Yas top, and the Morg/Yas match-up is something I am very familiar with and good at. It worked for the lane as well as for our game and we ended up winning with it.

The thing is though you are going to have a hell of a time justfiying Ezreal jungle. "But we need an ADC" well there's Graves and Kindred both of which do the job significantly better than Ezreal does while bringing more to the team via their utility. If you need more damage there are assassins junglers like Kha/Rengar/Vi and hell even Master Yi.

Simply put there really isn't a justification beyond "I just wanna" to play Ezreal in the jungle, which as I said if your doing it in normals then whatever have fun and be as silly as you want, but if you are doing it in ranked than frankly you deserve what you get as you are literally telling your 4 other teammates you don't give a damn about them and you are going to do whatever you want. Just so you know that is why you are getting flamed, it isn't because "off meta" it's because by picking Ez jungle you are telling your teammates to go fuck themselves you are going to do what you want.

Big Ol Idiot ManMay 17, 20171 votes

The justification doesn't have to be "they are OP in X". It doesn't even have to be "They are good at X".

Ranked is to win.

I play to win.

I play Ezreal Jungle, to win.

Which, at the end of the day, is what happens.

If I were to play Lee Sin, a jungler who I am VERY bad at, and did poorly, I would get yelled at because I played poorly. However, if I play Ezreal jungle, a champion that I have grown very comfortable on in the position, I'm labeled a troll before the game even begins? How is that fair in any respect? If the point is to win, I'm going to play the champion that I will do best on.

LeeSin = Loss but whatever, its meta so who cares Ezreal = Win but it isn't meta cuz Graves exists wah 9x report

MartyrofsandMay 17, 20171 votes

If you are incapable of playing a champion appropriate to the roll then you shouldn't be queueing up for that roll in ranked. If you are not well versed in a specific champ or roll and wish to practice it again that is what normals is for. I didn't just jump into ranked on Singed when I felt I needed to learn a top laner I played him in normals first for a while and got used to him and then I started playing him in ranked.

Also I'm not saying you have to play the God tier champs all the time, hell basic junglers like Yi/Amumu/Shyvana/Mundo are all pretty brain dead easy to play depending on what style you want. Yi is the high damage kill everyone champ, Amumu is your team fight tank, while Shyvana/Mundo are your counter jungle objective control champs who just dive/run head first and tank as much damage as possible. None of those champs require a high skill level or ability to play and can safely be picked up by anyone.

If you need to get their clear times down there is the practice tool so you can learn and get used to their paths and builds as well.

The excuse "but I can't play another champ" holds zero water, there are a variety of tools to learn those things for ranked and if you refuse to do so simply so you can run the excuse "but I'm not good with X champ" then you are once again telling your other 4 teammates to go fuck themselves, and you deserve everything they give you in return.