Ziggz Q
why can ziggs Q bounce over champions, i would always cringe when i throw a bomb towards their direction and miss because it bounces over them..
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Ziggs's unreliability is part of his balance. Although, I think he probably needs more damage to make it worth it.
What if they added the option to detonate the Q on reactivation ? (similar to his sachel charge)
I feel like that could help him a TON. I also think that if they did introduce this option, they could also give him a bounce similar to mini-Gnar's hop on his Q.
Just think of it...this new Q could bounce off the front line and either detonate at max range or upon reactivation.
Sounds good to me anyway...
I agree it's a cringe worthy event. The only thing I can think is that it's that way to further distinguish it from 
Q.
The idea behind Ziggs is his damage output is high, but unreliable.
Ziggs was the go to for area control mages not too long ago, but they nerfed him down to the point where his damage is simply way too unreliable. Yes, he CAN pump out huge amounts of damage in team fights, theoretically, but there are other champs that can do his job, better, and more reliably.
It's the only ability that takes height into consideration. While Tristana is jumping you can attack her, while Aurelion Sol is flying you can attack him, but when Ziggs bomb goes too high it misses?
even Riot is smart enough to know what constitutes as evidence and what does not. you won't see them say Garen might be very good at high levels but simply lacks sufficient data. everything I've said about Ziggs is what Riot factors in too when considering how strong a champion is at the highest levels.
Low pick rate doesn't mean weak for other champions, but it does for ziggs because of your quotes you haven't linked? The only people I've seen talking about ziggs say that his q is a bitch, but that he is fine overall.
read what i wrote with comprehension. stop making nonsensical strawmans. you're not using any logic against me, you're just misunderstanding the nuances of what's being written and ignoring points even from previous pages. i don't think you've read even half my posts because you reiterate the same points without addressing the key issues. it feels like you're arguing for the sake of arguing and just wasting time. my points make perfect sense to anyone open to a rational argument. you probably recently learned about fallacies in school and so misinterpret their application. again, I explained what a lack of evidence actually is and this isn't one of those cases.
if you were to say planet X might be habitable and we know nothing about it but I randomly say no it's not because we haven't been there to see, that's obviously irrational. it could hypothetically be habitable for us whether or not we actually visited it. we simply have no evidence either way until we get data about it and its solar system. now, if we colonized planet x and a few years later we find that 97% of the population is dead without any human created atrocity, then that's a different situation and either our assessment was wrong or something changed. however, at least those 3% remaining humans seem to be more or less fine (just like some humans have immunity to the Bubonic Plague or HIV)! Ziggs used to be pick/ban a few seasons ago before his Q nerfs and dramatic changes to Baron buff (among many other things). Now, you can count on one hand the number of Ziggs games this year in competitive over hundreds of games from every region.
the reasons for why a dearth of Ziggs at high levels this year matters have been amply supported, as have the situations when exceptions make sense. none of this is Ziggs specific. repeating that something is "illogical" and the other side has no point doesn't make it true, it just shows you don't have a good grasp of what's being stated. this isn't a coincidental lack of evidence, it's by choice of the players and staff on these teams. do you think pro teams/analysts/coaches don't know Ziggs' kit and have never considered/tried using him seriously in any region even though he was a competitive staple not many years ago? clearly, they don't consider him a pick strong enough to merit the risk/unreliability so he isn't strong in their eyes and who is a better judge than those who do this for a living at the absolute highest level of play? it's naive and arrogant to suggest that this doesn't matter and these people don't know what they're doing. I'm sure if you were able to see all the games on the private LoL server and scrims, you'd see some Ziggs in tests there but he wasn't promoted to the primary compositions.
i'm not going to repeat all the points here but the only logical position to take for this season is that Ziggs is situationally viable (at least until high Diamond/low Masters) but not particularly good. the higher you go, the less you see of him but I suppose you think that's just by chance and not due to an evaluation of Ziggs as a champion. of course, it's possible that Ziggs is misevaluated but it's just unreasonable to think so at this stage. it's also possible that there are small invisible unicorns next to each of us... and again... please stop misusing winrates (especially for low pickrate champions). refer to my post on the subject and read Riot's own thoughts on it.
btw: i might be wrong about Mordekaiser... idk... I haven't studied the pick. it sounds like a cheese pick to me and I doubt he's actually good due to his low CC but it was just an example. feel free to replace it with Shaco support (Loli Lancer was Masters with it), which for a few expert players can work, despite being a weak pick overall.
i don't live to post in this thread, believe it or not. i haven't even been in the US until recently. you are truly an amazing example of a completely self-centered person. my life and actions don't revolve around you and this thread isn't at the forefront of my life. i had no intention to get the "last word" or whatever childish attribution you want to make. in fact, i just did what was most convenient and typed directly into the prompt.
everything you posted here has already been addressed. get back to me once you've read and FULLY understood the other posts. we've already agreed to avoid repetition.
there's more about Ziggs as a champion in other threads, such as this. although, that's usually far less relevant than pro play, where you get closer to a champion's objective balance state.
everyone has opinions about every aspect of a champion's kit but without the skill to compete against the best, those opinions are as silly as me speculating on the nature of string theory - empty words. not all experience is equally valid and tbh, I think even Diamond play has little bearing on objective balance - regardless of how Riot treats it. as I stated before, i think Riot should balance more towards pro play than they typically do.
btw: the ult won't kill everything except cannon from what I remember. the melees tend to live unless you're ahead of the game.