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I like how gameplay's least favorite season is the one Riot pandered the most to them

Rins Thigh Socks·8/4/2018, 9:43:08 PM·15 votes·2,354 views

The biggest complaint right now is that damage is too high in the game. Well guess what, you asked for it.

Earlier in the season there were nothing but complaints that fighters were shit. There was nothing they could do in lane and they'd get outscaled by tanks. People asked for ways to deal with tanks in lane so they could at least do something as bruisers.

So Riot gave you the tools to deal with tanks.

Then gameplay complained that part of the reason was supports. Supports are way too protective for how little skill they take and need nerfs.

So Riot made enchanter supports have less raw defensive capabilities.

Then people complained that ADCs scaled up too quickly, have always been mandatory, deal too much damage to squishies, and they'd like to see more botlane variety. After all since support got nerfed if AD got nerfed we could fix this bot lane mess.

So Riot did just that. They lowered crit ADC damage to squishies, made them take longer to scale up, and converted some of their damage to true damage so it'd be more effective vs. tanks and less so vs. mages and assassins.

Tanks now get shit on by bruisers in the early-game and by ADCs in the late-game, so there's no reason to pick them. If there are no tanks (the class crit ADCs counter) then ADCs are basically obsolete and you swap them off for mages who scale up equally as well. Finally, if supports aren't gonna really save them might as well just pick aggressive supports that enable bot lane mages.

Did you really think that by nerfing 3 control-oriented, coordination-based champion archetypes almost simultaneously we'd find some happy middle ground? People like playing meta and if something is better just 51% of the time people will switch to that over the 49%.

Now people are whining that Riot damage creeped the game when in reality all they were doing was listening to their playerbase that insists that they know the game better.

You know what else they're whining for? ADC buffs and tank buffs. Some things never change right?

Next time you, as a player, ask for changes consider 3 things.

  1. What kind of impact this is going to have on the whole game. Every change you have in mind isn't going to fix the entire game. BE SPECIFIC. Vague complaints will get vague responses from Riot. If all you say is, "fix ADC it does too much damage to squishies and not enough to tanks" you can't complain if Riot decides to add a multiplier to their damage based on the target's armor, uses true damage, or makes armor pen items only burn through bonus armor because YOU DIDN'T GIVE THEM ANY CONSTRAINTS, JUST AN ULTIMATUM AND A FINAL DESTINATION.

  2. Be a little more considerate of how hard it is to balance the entire game. There's a ton of items and even more champions and every little change has a huge impact on the game. Boards as a whole has had a hand at toying with balance and they still act like it's this easy thing they could do and frankly after talking with a number of them they've proved they know very little of the individual champions outside of the specific mechanics that frustrate them.

  3. Be more engaged with the boards when you're satisfied with the game. This place is a hivemind, not because there isn't a unique variety of opinions and preferences, but because the people who are happy rarely speak. The place essentially becomes a hivemind. Not a hivemind of tank mains or mage mains, but of unhappy people. The unhappy people who have been satisfied by the previous meta shift stop posting so much and the ones who are unhappy with the new meta come in. They downvote all the complaining posts and they get them to the top of the board, even if 5-10 posts all have the EXACT SAME CONTENT. This just generates a never-ending cycle. If you want that to stop, take a good hard look at what someone says, and try to think about if it's a good change. If you don't like it, downvote and say why it's a bad idea. Letting resentment fester is the reason Boards is seen as a toxic environment by Reddit, Boards mods, and the majority of Rioters.

So please, exercise a little more caution next time you talk about huge, sweeping game changes you think Riot needs to make.

16 Comments

D357R0Y3R8/4/2018, 9:49:32 PM4 votes

tanks are terrible not because of conqueror, in fact grasp is way more broken than conqueror

tanks are terrible because crit became an anti armor stat, to counter it you need to stack hp and bruisers have FUCK TON OF HP to counter it, way more than tanks

plus, the fact that hyper carry adcs went away from the meta, so this means you didn't need tanks to protect them anymore

AND you combine this with the direct nerfs of sion ornn and other tanks and u know what happened

also sterak insane buff

Jbels8/4/2018, 10:15:00 PM4 votes

Nobody asked for more damage. Nobody WANTED this ass splatter of a game state. Every single meta that people complained about and got what they wanted forced the game closer to this inevitable form where it has no choice but to be this bad, because this is all that's left for it to be after every repealed meta. Pandered to? If the boards were pandered to this season, why do I see the same complaints today that I was reading 3 or 4 months ago? All anyone ever complains about is how much damage is in the game, and Riot refuses to do anything about it.

Then they think they're clever by pretending they're nerfing Electrocute by subtracting 20 damage from it but taking away 50% of its cooldown, basically giving it double uptime. If you're only doing 90 damage every 50 seconds right now, but you're doing 140 damage every 50 after this change, then what was the point?

In conclusion, I don't buy that this horrible game state came from Riot pandering. If that were the case, people wouldn't still be complaining about it half a year after it started. My only question is, where does the game go now? Nowhere good.

Altiverse8/4/2018, 10:19:43 PM3 votes

You make it sound like the tank meta, the enchanter meta or the ADC meta were any better than what we have now.

I rather see it as progression towards a better balance. While one meta might be objectively better than a previous one, these are steps we go through until we get a reasonably good balance.

######That is, until the inevitable next rune rework where the game just becomes a shitfest all over again.

2Charmnot2Charm8/4/2018, 10:56:10 PM2 votes

Pretty sure the main complaint at the start of the season was to nerf sustain, because it was so strong that trading at all was pointless.

Just because burst damage is now the way to go doesn't mean sustain shouldn't have gotten nerfed in the first place.

LightningShado8/5/2018, 12:58:14 AM1 votes

Holy moly this explains everything. Mods please pin this to the front page.

AirKingNeo8/5/2018, 1:05:14 AM1 votes

but bruisers are still shit and not competitively viable and the complaints are about assassins and mages

so isn't this kinda making no sense when you compare reality of bruisers still sucking and no one really complaining about bruisers?