@Riot: fret not, I have solved jungling.

GelsominoKiller·12/25/2019, 1:09:56 AM·25 votes·13,055 views

In a feverish dream of supreme revelation the outer gods have bestowed upon me the Eldritch truth about why Riot's best efforts in dealing with the jungle by nerfing it in the past 4 years have utterly failed.

Getting a kill nets more experience and gold than any camp.

As a result, a successful jungler doesn't need to farm, and can focus on ganking. More successful they are, easier are their subsequent ganks, thanks to damage meta and runes reforged.

If kill exp was severely nerfed, successful junglers would still need to farm, because they would have the gold but lack the exp.

On the other hand, making farming the jungle harsher and less rewarding for everybody has only the effect of pushing more and more into the meta those usual earlygame junglers that excel at ganking and have the tools to be successful and access the superior form of exp+gold income.

TL;DR: gut kill exp, nerf strong junglers, buff jungle

You can thank me later. I have conceived such advanced analysis only because I am genius and prophet.

/s

31 Comments

Naalith12/25/2019, 4:51:08 AM11 votes

Everyone has known ganking is the only viable jungle strategy since the scuttle change. Well, everyone except Riot. They've stated their goal in making game-wide changes is to avoid "boring" low lethality games in the pro circuit. This means that junglers being useless unless they gank isn't even an accident, they did this on purpose. I wish they'd listen to the jungle playerbase in the same way they did when they reverted the shitty ADC changes, but I guess junglers don't make up enough of the community and they want sick Lee Sin LC$ plays.

General Esdeath 12/25/2019, 4:01:43 AM6 votes

Dude I'm so sick of having more kills and cs than the enemy jungler but they're ahead of me by 1 level because they taxes their top or mid.

Tobykachu12/25/2019, 10:59:27 PM5 votes

It baffles me that two or three junglers exploiting a particular play style has resulted in the entire jungle pool getting nerfed.

Dreamspitter12/25/2019, 4:34:45 AM5 votes

That explains why I can be 35 CS ahead of enemy jung, but he can be 2 levels ahead because he has 4 kills to my 1

ZephyrDrake12/25/2019, 1:13:03 AM2 votes

Yeah make it so that only farm junglers are good that is what we need.

BigFBear12/25/2019, 6:31:22 AM2 votes

Gank only doesn't work anymore.

Crescent Dusk12/25/2019, 7:00:19 AM2 votes

{quoted}

In a feverish dream of supreme revelation the outer gods have bestowed upon me the Eldritch truth about why Riot's best efforts in dealing with the jungle by nerfing it in the past 4 years have utterly failed.

Getting a kill nets more experience and gold than any camp.

As a result, a successful jungler doesn't need to farm, and can focus on ganking. More successful they are, easier are their subsequent ganks, thanks to damage meta and runes reforged.

If kill exp was severely nerfed, successful junglers would still need to farm, because they would have the gold but lack the exp.

On the other hand, making farming the jungle harsher and less rewarding for everybody has only the effect of pushing more and more into the meta those usual earlygame junglers that excel at ganking and have the tools to be successful and access the superior form of exp+gold income.

TL;DR: gut kill exp, nerf strong junglers, buff jungle

You can thank me later. I have conceived such advanced analysis only because I am genius and prophet.

/s

Increasing the importance of farming changes nothing because the fact is as Eve I'm getting invaded since lv2 and can do nothing about it against most junglers.

Sure, the enemy jungler won't get xp off killing me, but I'll fall behind 3+ levels from getting permanently invaded out of my camps since I can't duel the enemy jungle.

Until dueling and invades is fixed in jg, and catch up xp and gold is fixed, the jungle will be about who got the laners who rotate or whether you have the strong duelist jungler compared to the other jungle.

That means no late game junglers since you never get to late from the invade meta, and no tank junglers since you don't win duels on those either. Just fighters all game long.

Trias00012/25/2019, 12:40:30 PM2 votes

Just one more season and duo top will be meta again.

Shahamut12/27/2019, 4:35:35 PM1 votes

Ganking junglers will ALWAYS be superior, because getting yourself ahead will never be as good as getting you AND a laner ahead.

As the game has become MUCH more team focused, selfish solo-play will slowly become the most inefficient way to play, and every game will feel more and more like a coin flip, because a win will be more and more the result of the team and less and less about the one individual.

A bit exaggerated in the explanation, but that is the general feel I get from the games direction these last few years.

Sir Saltarin12/25/2019, 6:13:27 PM1 votes

Then you are disturbing all the balance, making kills less rewarding makes lategame champs stronger since being killed in lane wouldn't be that harsh anymore

H00KIE12/25/2019, 6:15:59 PM1 votes

What I've been doing is doing a near full clear, then ganking top/mid, and my top/mid lets me shove the wave for the minion exp. Even then though I'm usually behind, this is why it's best to use early gamers like elise/olaf in jg rn

HerbertyXsSn12/25/2019, 9:29:32 PM1 votes

Jungle really isn't as bad as the players make it out to be. Half the players who complain don't know how to play jungle and are still following powerframing guides from 3 years ago.

If people actually picked a jungler with strong early game gank potential and objective control and actually spent the game trying to create map pressure instead of sitting in their own jungle farming their ass off, they'd soon start to climb. Half the junglers out there lose not because jungle is shit (the exp gains are) but because they just don't understand how to get a lead and influence games as a jungler.

uNhoLeee12/26/2019, 12:59:39 AM1 votes

i can be 80 cs ahead of mid and still down levels. LEl s10

Chainman312/26/2019, 4:52:22 AM1 votes

You're literally taking it back to s4 jungling. If thats how they wanted the jungle they wouldve left it like that.

Mrs Qtpie12/26/2019, 9:08:17 AM1 votes

Jungle was as strong as ever last season. They were able to sit on a lane all game, farm a few camps for catch-up xp, and then keep level parody with solo laners. It was ridiculous. I agree with your post otherwise.

macspam12/27/2019, 5:07:09 AM1 votes

Since games are decided early junglers do exist for the purpose of ganking, yes they can scale and solo carry like yi/Jax but this is really about your team not fucking up early