"I'm a toxic player but it's Riot's fault"

McAllister·2/9/2015, 7:13:16 PM·92 votes·6,583 views

No, it's not Riot's fault. The game can make you lose: feeders, 4v5s, those two Diamond players on the other team, those two "Silver" smurfs on the other team... lots of things can happen to make you lose.

The game cannot make you rage. Take responsibility for your actions.

115 Comments

Anomander2/9/2015, 10:09:41 PM32 votes

But but I don't control my own actions. I can't help that others make me do it. I am not responsible for the things I do. It is always someone else's fault.

Ok lets get real. The OP is 100% accurate.

Urdnot Entar2/9/2015, 10:35:07 PM16 votes

Well, sure the game cannot make you rage. But it encourages it as hard as it possibly can-- bugs, bad matchmaking, inexplicable balance, etc... as you say, lots of things can make you lose, and it's a competitive game.

Nobody trolls like Riot :P

Nucleophilic atk2/9/2015, 10:25:25 PM7 votes

"I'm toxic because X" doesn't mean it is X's fault. I'm toxic because of trolls. Sure, it's my own decision to be, but it still remains that is the reason lol.

Gizmo Era2/10/2015, 3:15:32 AM6 votes

I'm a toxic player because Riot hasn't released DJ Sona yet.

NIEKUH2/9/2015, 11:06:57 PM6 votes

OP you are stupid!

Kazaashi2/9/2015, 10:01:46 PM4 votes

Statistically speaking there is more of a chance of a feeder, afk, or troll being on the enemy team. Unless of course you are it.

junglerboy162/10/2015, 1:25:56 AM4 votes

Hey, just noticing this from reading through the comments below, but I think there may be a disconnect between what you mean by "cannot make you rage" vs "cannot make you want to rage". The game certainly can make you rage in the sense that it can make you very angry, and that is what people are responding to, but all of your responses seem to indicate you want to emphasize that while it can make you mad, what you mean by rage is the actual act of verbally abusing oner players in your anger. If you maybe clarified that in the OP, I think you could get your discussion a little more focused in the direction you seem to want.

Tough Guy2/10/2015, 2:11:41 PM4 votes

"if you play the game for fun you wont get mad." - Sneaky C9

I value his words; Since then I have yet to get mad. If we have a troll or we have incompetent players I just focus on myself and see if I can carry or survive lol.

Happy Clown Man2/10/2015, 4:11:11 PM3 votes

I rage a great deal, I rage about my team or about the enemy whooping my sorry backside. HOWEVER, I refuse to say much beyond, "Hey, stop doing that thing that's getting you killed." in chat. Found that I tend to do better in my games if I rage on the outside, but in chat I act all nice 'n stuff. Can't see why people would blame the game for their rage. For the most part I agree, it's not what happens, but how you react to it. That can be said for a lot, not just in League, but in life as well.

Lanatir2/10/2015, 4:23:03 PM3 votes

It might be partly Riot's fault actually.

Time for learning! Humans have a limited capacity for self-control/directed mental effort (aka Focus). The game requires so much concentration from some people that there isn't anything to filter the emotionally charged suggestions of the sub-conscience.

References and further reading: Thinking, Fast and Slow

That is, it may be a difficult to avoid by-product of the game they chose to create. On the other hand, this quality is exactly what makes this genre of game so absorbing and enjoyable...

Kiyodai Akamichi2/11/2015, 2:46:23 AM2 votes

I totally agree that the OP is accurate. I'm facing something of a dilemma, however. While I take it as a point of pride to vent to MYSELF (that is, I'll growl out while I'm playing but never take it out on my team-mates) I find myself getting a bit discouraged. While we do get little gifts here and there to encourage us to not be toxic and support our team-mates such as the mystery skin (here's hoping mine comes soon) I find myself in a position where even if I play well, an entire game can get thrown by the actions of a single individual. In my last game for example, our Tryndamere went 1/10/1--and had fed five times by the seven minute mark. Even after encouraging him to play cautiously, using smart pings, etc, it didn't make much of a difference.

Now, I didn't flame--I didn't even make a sarcastic comment like "those throws though". But I was frustrated, and even though I said "Good game, well played" after surrendering, I still felt a bit crushed inside. Being toxic helps nobody--it just vents poison. But maybe my question can be answered best by a more experienced player. That is, how do you constructively deal with a game like that? If it isn't a matter of team composition, or individual skill, how do you deal with a thrown game?

The only real solution I've found is taking a break, and coming back a bit later. But it seems to be an unfortunate trend that, at least where I am now, it is difficult to eke out a victory if even one person is overly new or unskilled. How do you handle that? I personally always try to support or jungle, but I almost feel a kind of learned helplessness at points.

Kazaashi2/10/2015, 3:48:59 PM2 votes

I think this may help some people out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilt_(poker)

Raging at people can cause people to go on Tilt and you being on Tilt can cause you to rage at people. If you are not going into your Ranked games with a "Meh, I could lose a game" attitude, you are setting yourself up for a loss.

As for AFK's and trolls, there is not really much Riot can do about them. It is much easier to break and abuse something than to create something. We as a community need to be better. We need to let things go, and realize that Normal, Placement, Promo, etc. match its just a game and we shouldn't let it control us.

InsaneSamurai2/10/2015, 2:55:46 AM2 votes

I know where you're coming from, and I know you are talking about a different kind of player, but I actually fit in this category. I started playing this game as a completely non-toxic player. After 3 years of dealing with endless assholes,spoiled children, and trolls, I just don't have the patience for it anymore. Now I have to quit playing this game most nights because I lose my cool and just can't deal with the overloaded community of raging griefers. I have been using the report system since I started, but the community has only gotten worse. Riot only punishes the worst of the worst, and most of the punishments are laughable slaps on the wrist. Do you think someone is going to take the time to stop and learn how to properly communicate with people because you gave them a big scary chat restriction? They don't care. Low priority queue? Ooooohh you better be scared of waiting 5 whole extra minutes to play a game. Disable ranked? They just go troll normals till its back.

You need to suspend or ban people entirely. Some random spoiled kid likely doesn't even spend money on this game, so you lose exactly nothing from banning him, and you gain an improved community. Spend long enough time with a no-nonsense tribunal, and people will stop losing their shit on everyone the instant anything goes wrong. It is Riot's job to fix this, not mine. I'm not the irresponsible parents of these kids, but you're forcing me to babysit them with leaverbuster and you want me to try teach them how to speak to another person when there is no way to communicate with them in the first place. These things are not my responsibility, and I don't understand anyone thinking that they are. Could I handle this better? I'm sure its possible, but I also suffer from mental disabilities, the most important one being severe social anxiety disorder. If someone attacks me, I generally lose it. I can't help it most of the time because I have a medical condition, but most people seem to think every time I have a panic attack online that it's my fault, and that's just sad. A platform was given to these random sociopaths to verbally assault people, and that's what it's being used for more often than not. But it's my fault, right? :P

MrSlowDie2/10/2015, 7:04:33 AM2 votes

"I kill him, because he forced me to do that" it's not his fault...

ChaosTheRule2/10/2015, 6:55:19 AM1 votes

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No, it's not Riot's fault. The game can make you lose: feeders, 4v5s, those two Diamond players on the other team, those two "Silver" smurfs on the other team... lots of things can happen to make you lose.

The game cannot make you rage. Take responsibility for your actions.

while i do agree that it isnt riot's fault its not your fault for being toxic most of the time too. if u rage and toxic over a mistake you yourself can easily make and end up being negative all game then its definitely you at fault

but what if this happens to you multiple games in a row? like you worked hard to get up to plat 1 then all of a sudden multiple negative players giving up at fb or few early mistakes and before you knew it you dropped back down to gold? you would need to be a saint to not rage.

there are also people who cuss at insult you over 1 mistake wen they themselves makes multiple mistake yet refuse to admit it. Can you really not be toxic after that? sure its possible to hold it in for 1 or 2 games but multiple times? nope not possible.

and im betting some of you think "take a break then" and you assume that someone trolling on another day is absolutely impossible. well guess what it happens for weeks even.

its not riot's fault you are toxic, sometimes it is your fault for being toxic, and sometimes you are toxic because of multiple circumstances and situations that pile up.

reason why people throw the blame on riot is because they are being more strict with dodging games (seriously why the fk does this have a penalty?) and being toxic. yet people who troll are always safe. something even more stupid is wen the troll insults u for your mistake then most if not all of ur teamates blames you too. they insult you then wen you say even one thing back BAM u get 4 verbal abuse or negative attitude reports. if you read all this and you still think you wont rage then you have problems imagining yourself in some1 else's shoes or you are so dam lucky that this never happened to you before. this community is rotten (except for maybe a few) and so is riot for pretty much supporting troll acts.

really from all the comments here you guys act like controlling yourself for multiple troll games and unreasonable people would never be able to get you pissed off. did you guys all buy your gold+ accounts so u dont know the hard work getting there? really wonder what the fk is going through your heads.

I am not saying being toxic is ok but in some circumstances and situations it is just not possible controlling yourself. And when it comes to it and you get toxic, would you really be fine getting a bunch of reports even though you weren't the first one to be toxic or started anything with your teammates? if you are fine with everything and no matter what happens you will not get mad then good luck reaching enlightenment or stop bullshitting yourself.

TheSaltyScourge2/10/2015, 5:27:10 AM1 votes

I can kick you in the testicles. My foot cant make you rage right?

Solaxo2/9/2015, 11:19:44 PM1 votes

Then explain to me why people rage in this game much more than in other games?