Zyra players, I actually have a good suggestion that could fix her.

Hópe·5/9/2018, 4:39:09 PM·12 votes·5,089 views

I was thinking about this earlier, basically Zyra suffers from ''strong in bot lane sucks in mid lane''

Alright, you need to find ways to force her to be mid lane.

Zyras two main problems

Zyra has problems with her plants messing up her csing and her plant health is atrocious

Buff Give Zyras plants execute on minions under 5-10% Nerf Nerf Zyras Q damage

This makes it so she'll be stealing minions if taken bot lane and less pokey in bot lane while opens up opportunities in other areas ( which is under this )

Buff Zyras plant health in some way to compensate for the Q nerf since Q is her main poke and not E which is what every Zyra player is asking for Remove Zyras E plants and slow, This is nothing but a horrible attempt at a combo and 90% of the time a Zyra player will spawn 2 melee plants instead of 2 desired ranged ones.

Basically a power shift.

36 Comments

Velzard of Koz5/9/2018, 5:47:45 PM10 votes

So you want less power in basic kit and more power in plants... Which is literally what a lot of Zyra mains complain about that her rework has already caused and made her terrible to play as...

Feel Apathy5/9/2018, 7:14:25 PM6 votes

Zyra's Q deals no damage and everyone that respects himself maxes E first.

Delete the melee plants though, complete waste - the slow is never relevant and they do absolutely nothing 99% of the time.

The Bearded Bard5/9/2018, 5:43:13 PM6 votes

You shouldn't alienate support zyra players with your changes. Your goal should be to make mid as viable as support, not make mid more powerful than support.

Salamencę5/9/2018, 6:38:43 PM5 votes

Where's the good suggestion?

FilDaFunk5/9/2018, 6:55:54 PM4 votes

Ideal plant combo is melee + ranged, the slow keeps them in the range longer. The minion change you want is absolutely horrible - you're just destroying her support without actual changes to her q.

webstar11085/9/2018, 4:45:31 PM4 votes

I agree. Good ish

P0IS0N IVY5/9/2018, 9:53:21 PM2 votes

The goal is to make her viable in both roles, not push her out of bot lane, so the execution suggestion won't work.

I've never seen people complain about her Q damage, especially since it has a weird shape now that shortened the range compared to her circular one. Her Q requires her to walk up pretty damn close.

Zyra needs plant changes but removing E plants entirely is not the solution. The issue with doing the combo incorrectly comes from the addition of the plant spawn range to each of her abilities.

Bacunwulf5/9/2018, 10:26:25 PM2 votes

Make her plant attacks actually count for manaflow procs again. Don't touch anything else about her unless a full scale effort can be put into her since Riot is really good at destroying the crap out of champs with mini-reworks. Kindred Malzahar

MorgManBasher5/10/2018, 8:07:56 AM2 votes

As someone that plays support and Mid zyra in Diamond, she is fine just the way she is. She may not be a "top tier" mid but she definitely can do work and plants actually help her CS a lot.

Run minion dematerializer on her and you can instantly clear the back wave easily. Ludens rush pretty much every game when playing mid. item 3285 item 3116 item 3151 item 3020 is generally my build path. Rylais after ludens is extremely strong, applies slows in area of effect and it has a fair amount of AP now.

Her weakness mostly is just assassins, obviously. When laning against ap assassins rush item 3102 When laning against AD assassins rush item 3157 if needed, if not just do ludens rush and shove them in.

Zero Skill Tank5/9/2018, 5:42:23 PM2 votes

I think there is one thing that is missing in all Zyra post over the years.

Her E is a skillshot that is quite slow but also has quite wide hitbox.

This means that it is very effective against 550 range marksmen, but not really effective against 1000+ range mages (since they have much more time to dodge the wide skillshot).

Now, other similar abilities don't have this problem, because they stop on minions, giving shorter range champions more chance to play against them. But against Zyra, 550 range champion is more or less defensless.

Until this get's sorted out, Zyra will always need to be balanced as a botlaner.

Linna Excel5/9/2018, 10:14:02 PM2 votes

I actually think zyra's plants should be limited to ranged only, but I think both her Q and E should be able to trigger them. My thought is to have them scale off of her W ranks in terms of both health and damage.

Devilreaper XIII5/13/2018, 6:38:45 PM1 votes

she's fine as is O.o i play her mid just fine. maybe she could go with some mobility or a tad bit more damage by her flowers, but not both together.

Elewd5/9/2018, 6:53:38 PM1 votes

make her Q even more of a max last button, ok.

Handy Sandy 5/9/2018, 8:28:17 PM1 votes

what about increasing plant hp, but plant attack ranges are a bit longer and turn into skillshots. the hitbox would look something like heimer's rockets how they all go towards a single point.

probably like whenever her Q/E are on cd they're replaced with this skill, or she has a special item with an active and gives stats like item 3196 ?

PhearBunny5/9/2018, 8:32:53 PM1 votes

I had an idea for Zyra recently to add into her passive.

Since they added plants through the map, I feel like there should be a way for her to interact with them. Either she can walk up to them, and stand on them like a Skarner node, and after a few seconds cause the plant to spawn(heal plants, sight plants, red seeds). Or the other option, she passively imbues their effects for all your teammates. Healy balls increase movespeed rather than slow you. Red seeds significant true damage if you trigger it on an enemy. True sight plant sight lasts twice as long.

Wouldn't really fix her gameplay at all, but shed bring a unique set of utility to the table.

LordGeovanni5/9/2018, 11:13:07 PM1 votes

So Removing E plants is way more of a buff than nerfing zyra's q damage this allows Zyra to fish with e and not proc plants and only q when e succeds this would be broken with more plant health.