why is talon even allowed to exist?

DaBabyKilla··36 votes·4,318 views

He's so unhealthy, zero counterplay to his right click everything

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grumpyfrogy14 votes

so now everyone is saying talon was broken even before duskblade? i thought people were saying he was the most balanced assasin before this

Khâmul12 votes

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so now everyone is saying talon was broken even before duskblade? i thought people were saying he was the most balanced assasin before this

people tend to complain right after getting wrecked in lane without trying to see what they did wrong

Neo Cyrus3 votes

Yeah, they usually have the poor judgement of not magically denying him 100% of his CS and allowing him to reach level 6 with 700 gold to buy 2 long swords and 100-0 them by pressing R. That and somehow not coming up with 3500 gold before level 6 to not die and somehow get to the tower in time as well.

I mean, those are pretty simple steps, deny all CS, don't let him level up, get 3500 gold to buy Zhonya's before level 6 and be there to defend your tower as well. Simple.

Get real, Talon is and always has been cancer, just like every other AD assassin. At least the AP ones don't 1 shot towers and leech all their health back, that and MR this season is free as shit. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't complain if LeBlanc was nerfed into oblivion.

Abyssphere8 votes

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so now everyone is saying talon was broken even before duskblade? i thought people were saying he was the most balanced assasin before this

I don't know if Talon is broken or anything but the only people saying "Talon is the healthiest assassin" were delusional Talon players/Zed haters. People were sick of Zed being able to escape easily and started screaming "Assassins shouldn't have escapes!", using Talon as the posterchild for that. They ignored the fact that Talon trades having an escape for having a combo with no counterplay whatsoever.

Emperor Time3 votes

On the boards, everything is op.

Boulderox11 votes

Talon is a very troublesome assassin, but he has very few other things he can do if he gets caught out, having to use his ultimate to escape sometimes... item 3147 I WILL never understand why they implemented it during a carry meta where assassins are high up there already.

But talon pales in comparison to Zed Fizz Leblanc as examples. He has his own quarks of very strong instant burst, but when I face a talon, and lose to him, that all comes down to him killing me before i can kill him, instead of others that can do damage with 0 retaliation due to them having some mechanic to hit from distance/ recall abilities and or straight up invulnerabilities.

Talon has the tools to do the job, but is fairly one dimensional, his e being his dive engage, and having little ways to leave a fight if he finds himself in the center.

AninLegions7771 votes

Talon pales in comparison to Zed and LB? Lool. Fizz I can understand cos he's probably the best assassin out there but LB and Zed? Nah. He's in a league of his own. In a lane vs. LB or Zed, he stomps 8/10. Higher dmg + Invisibility + Awesome synergy with Ghostblade and Hydra and Maw. Just insane.

Little ways? With that low CD ult, he'll be able to leave many fights.

Steel Blossom7 votes

Oh God, Talon higher mobility than Zed and LB, please...

AninLegions7771 votes

Who said he has more mobility? Not me. All I'm saying is since invisibility is one of the best escape and engage tools in the game right now, it's easier for Talon to escape. You can't hit or CC what you can't see.

PROJECT Katarìna1 votes

You can snare invisible champs easily also it aint hard to hit skillshots on other champions if you mind game them or have basic knowledge to know when you hit them ex: morg q dissapearing/falling short of full range

AninLegions7771 votes

Mind games have 50% chance of working out or lower. You can't say with that much certainty if you can hit an invisible champ or not. This isn't akali with a Zone around. This is Talon who gains bonus MS and if he has Ghostblade, he's probably already gone. The only time Morg can hit him is if she ults him and uses the tether to determine his location. Anything other than that is pure luck. Try again.

PROJECT Katarìna1 votes

Actually no morgs hit box is pretty good but a good player can sidestep a skillshot like that hit things blind isnt hard I do it all the time to kill shaco's rengar, kha zik and even talons because I know the sound of my skillshot when it hits something ex: Zed's Q, Talon's W

Also btw there is a reason why talon does alot of damage with E>W>Q it is because he is an assassin which role is to do burst damage which is why Armor pen is good on ad assassin's if he didnt do damage he would bring nothing for a team at all.

The only reason people like you complain about assassin's is because you do not have a good grasp/comprehension of the game to know how to fight them or when to position yourself when your escapes are on cooldown. And saying you main him on other accounts but yet not posting said accounts usernames is like me saying Im a diamond smurf in soloque so dont be a coward and just admit it.

If you vs Leblanc and died one time and she came back with a item 1058 and you back and only got a item 1036 you would be complaining on how she just walked to lane and did half your health with Q>W

Edit 1: If there is any broken assassin is only because the champions base damage is too high on their abilities if a assassin is set behind by like 3 deaths ad only have a item 1058 or 3item 1036 by 20 mins but still 100-0 then I may be inclined to say so. Otherwise it is because you didnt build defensively to keep you lead, they hit a massive powerspike(level 6) , or they plain up outplay you.

AninLegions7771 votes

Three things that I've gathered from your rants:

  1. You have no knowledge of true high elo.
  2. You have 0 knowledge about assassins both AP and AD.
  3. You have no valid points worth replying to. Have a nice day
AninLegions7771 votes

You just buttressed my point. Thanks a lot.

PROJECT Katarìna1 votes

No I didnt obviously its just low elo players like you do not have the mechanics or mind set to play league let alone wrap your mind around how assassins playstyle/role is.

AninLegions7771 votes

I feel pity for you mate. Low elo? No no no. We aren't in the same boat. You may be wood V but I'm definitely out of that league. Been out of it for 4 years. Enjoy your mediocre arguments and playstyle.

PROJECT Katarìna1 votes

No were not your sinking on your ship right now while Im in the life-raft. You say that you been here since s1 but why are you still level 19? not to mention you iddnt even read the link I sent you. Im just glad Ill never see you again cause Ill never be bronze let alone silver after this season

AninLegions7771 votes

Level 19 account cos I don't need guys like you sending me friend requests to carry you out of the elo hell you are destined to stay for the remaining duration of this game. You can sleep well knowing that there's nowhere left to go from the bottom except top. Although you won't. But hey, knock yourself out. Also, if your gameplay is anything like your grammar, you're definitely wood V.

PROJECT Katarìna1 votes

Kay bud I dont want or even need anyone else to carry me I like to see where I get placed at the end of the season using my individual skill no why would I even add you you obviously do not show any signs of higher elo knowledge.

I suck at Jhin1 votes

Year later, 21lv XD

Boulderox4 votes

Ahahha in what world does zeds and leblancs unpunishable poke is talon better at, leblanc q w w rinse repeat, zed. Q q q q zomg w e q e so versatile...

AninLegions7771 votes

Unpunishable? Lool. The moment they use their poke, Talon does his E>Q>W combo and proceeds to outtrade them. Continue to amuse me with your knowledge of the game.

Boulderox3 votes

And keep telling yourself you think you know what your talking about, because any leblanc worth anything would know your e puts you behind them, leading to a VERY easy chain root, where they then can have there way with you. But good try kid

AninLegions7771 votes

I know what I'm talking about, son. Now sit down so I can break this down. Talon's E slows heavily. His Q applies instantaneously and his W is easy to hit cos LB will be slow as shit. Even if LB roots him, he'll still deal more dmg meaning that LB made a bad trade. Do you get now? The root doesn't mean shit if she can't follow it up. Now amuse me with your knowledge of assassins.

Steel Blossom3 votes

Her root doesn't mean shit. Unless she snares Talon in her minion wave, which is where Talon will be if he tries to hit Leblanc back after Leblanc uses her QW on Talon. Then Talon will not only lose the trade, but also risk dying. Also, Talon's E does slow heavily. For 0.25 seconds. Early game, that's not even enough time for his E auto Q.

AninLegions7771 votes

Talon will be behind her meaning only the caster minions will focus him. Only one might focus him depending on how the lane is set and how many are alive. Also if you take some actual time to read the thread, you would see that Boulderox said LB already used her QW. That's why you don't E>AA>Q. It's better to E>Q>AA so that even if you don't get to AA, you already dealt enough dmg to win trade.

Steel Blossom2 votes

First thing first, in an even lane, you can't win trades as Talon if you don't reset your auto with Q. That only happens when you're ahead, and your enemy has 0 armor.

Secondly, any decent Leblanc player would get a relatively big minion wave before going in to trade with Talon. I don't know what elo you play at, but it doesn't take a pro to manipulate minion wave to help win trades.

AninLegions7771 votes

You are missing the point. You are saying the best method which we all know but given how low Talon's AS is, there's a huge chance he won't get that AA in and thereby not get his Q in meaning he'll lose a whole lot of dmg.

LOOOL. What big minion wave? Any average Talon player knows how easy it is to clear minions with W. I don't know what elo you play at, but it doesn't take a pro to know how easy it is to win vs. LB. The 56.39% winrate against LB as Talon buttresses my point.

Steel Blossom2 votes

See, E-auto-Q is a combo that is easy to pull off if you TRY to do it. It's not exactly natural or fluid at early levels, but you almost HAVE to do it to deal any meaningful damage.

Also, Talon's W deals almost negative damage at rank one, and still costs decent mana. It almost isn't worth casting at rank one, and even if Talon does manage to push the wave back towards Leblanc without taking tons of poke from her level 2, Talon has put himself in a position that makes junglers want to gank you. Sadly, Leblanc isn't afraid of ganks the way Talon is with her W, so facing her in the middle of lane, or pushing past river, is still a disadvantage for Talon.

Finally, you don't have to win lane VS a Leblanc to win the game. I've often lost lane to Leblanc, dying up to three times in the process, and then coming back at around 15 minutes by roaming and ending game with the best KDA on my team and the highest damage to champion. Talon just isn't a strong laner, and I bet if he had a decent jungle clear, nobody would even play him mid.

The Deckowner1 votes

talon's e slow duration is not even long enough for him to even do an auto attack.

u dont know what u are talking about.

lb qww combo will get her a mile away from talon, and talon's e has much less ramge than lb's w, u dont know what you are talking about.

AninLegions7771 votes

Another not-so-smart NA player? Not surprised. Let me school you. Talon gains a massive slow and even when the slow wears off, he'll still get the auto in. Why? Well Jimmy boy it's this simple. Talon has more movement speed. So she won't be able to get out of the range of his AA+Q. This takes a lot of expertise so I don't expect your average mind to comprehend this.

Also, if you were following the thread, you'll see that LB has already used her QWW combo. Another thing you missed that shows what an amateur you are is the fact that Talon's E has more range than LB's W. This means that for LB to use that combo, she'll be in range of Talon's E.

I usually don't reply misinformed and "popular-opinion" newbies but you said I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm guessing this schooling has set you straight. If you are adamant and continue to make these weak claims without any facts to back them up, then I'll school you again until you learn.

In conclusion, I DO know what I'm talking about but you do not.

#Class Dismissed

The Deckowner1 votes

if you are smart enough to play multiple champion then you will realize EVERY GAPCLOSER will aloow you to land a single auto even without any cc effect. for example jax q and katarina e will allow you to autoattack the target you landed on even tho their gap closer has 0 cc. which proves that the 0.25secons slow doesnt even mean shit.

lb's w has a 600range+250 aoe, while talon's e has 700range, it's obvious lb's w outrange talon. even without hitting w at max range as long as lb moved in anydirection other than toward talon it will put her outside of talon e range.(100 difference in range vs 300+ base movement speed)

and for god's sake you should know qww for lb =put the mark, dash, blink back, it's not her full combo. she still has rw, and her e was unused.

Lets say even if talon did get the e and he did aa+q, talon usually max w first, at lv6 he has about 70 base dmg, aa+q does 170 dmg before armor. WOW that is so much compare to LB's Rank1 qw combo(which is bullshit she max w first but it doesnt matter)at rank 1 qw does 195 dmg. WOW talon totally counters leblanc.

AninLegions7771 votes

Lool. Mate your first paragraph didn't make an iota of sense. No offense but that's the truth.

Also, she may have the AoE but that doesn't change the fact that during the casting of her W, Talon can't E her and avoid the damage while leaving her to decide whether to W back or run away. Another thing you forgot is that her Q has 700 range, same as Talon's E. This puts her in the range of Talon's E so your point about range is still invalid. Think before posting pls.

Lool. If LB uses RW then she's left with no escape. Her E can easily be juked with your knowledge of its hitbox. I don't expect you to understand this.

Last but not the least, you forgot to add the dmg on Talon's W. Not to talk about the AD from runes and the fact that LB will have piss-poor Armor makes it better.

Stop arguing pls. Talon outdmgs LB especially after getting Maw. She's irrelevant at that point.

Any more lame arguments based on knowledge from your elo and lower?

Rikari10 votes

Talon is literally the weakest yet healthiest assassin. He is 60% melee and has low mobility. If you're complaining about Talon then pray you never see Akali Fizz Kassadin Katarina Leblanc Shaco Rengar ...literally ANY other assassin in their prime. In fact,Rengar is still alive and kicking. I'd love to see how you deal with him. His concept was idiotic until today. AoE ad assassin. http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/talon http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Talon

Knoyle1 votes

Akali? Doesn't she get shit on by almost EVERY mid laner? Doesn't she also fall off the easiest out of all of them?

pay to win4 votes

Well he said in their prime and even if I didn't play when akali was at her strongest point, if I go off of what I've heard and vids I've seen she was a monster

ggambino2 votes

Not true. Talon got nerfed into the ground on release. He's also had the consistently highest winrate for an assassin of all time, in that I dont think hes ever been under 53% since just after his nerfs. Honestly, people dont know how terrible he is to play against and how boring he is to play because he's always been historically very unpopular, because hes just boring to play. He's kinda like Swain in that respect.

AkabaneKun8 votes

He was fine and then they made item 3147 .

Cloud27321 votes

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He was fine and then they made item 3147 .

He was broken long before that item came out lol

LatetotheRace8 votes

The ability to slam your face into the keyboard and kill stuff with no backlash is of terrible design.

The Bíg Ticket6 votes

Because not everyone is bronze or silver.

Steel Blossom2 votes

lol btw the Talon who pwned OP's Ahri is a plat smurf. And OP is not even lvl 30 yet...

Mimaropa5 votes

have you heard "Pink ward it" before?

Steel Blossom5 votes

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/55843674#matches

First of all, I already know why you made this thread. However, If you look at that Talon's match history, he has decent KDA in most, if not all of his games. Also, it is highly unlikely that a pre-30 player would have the desire to spend 4800 IP on a champion as unpopular as Talon, unless, of course, he is a smurf who has prior experience with Talon. The fact that he has four runes pages with the standard rune set for four kinds of champions only further supports my assumption that the Talon you played against is a smurf. I cannot say exactly how good he is, but he certainly has a big edge on you in terms of skill.

That, believe it or not, is the cause of your issue. It's not that Talon is OP, but that he was better at League of Legends than you and your team. See, as a Talon main, I feel like I have some authority when I say that I have to be significantly better than my lane opponent to stomp them the way he stomped you. I can confidently say that he probably dodged most, if not all, of your Qs and Es during laning phase. That right there isn't the imbalance of a champion; it's a demonstration of superior skill.

Furthermore, against a Talon who is better than you at this game, you built absolutely 0 armor. You also don't have ANY armor in your runes. Thus, it is only natural that you went 2/10 while he ended the game 17/2. Also, as a side note, he built QSS, which isn't something that low elo players would do. Again, great disparity in skill.

Finally, I'd also like to point out that Talon is not only weak in lane in comparison to the current meta mid laners, but is also very roam-oriented. When I play him, I am basically a jungler sent mid to safely reach level 6 so I can gank effectively. Judging by the number of times your bot lane duo have died, and how little kill and assist the enemy jungler & ADC had, I think it is safe to assume that the Talon roamed exceptionally well. As we all know, successful ganks mean superior timing, vision control, and are one of the most common forms of outplay. None of these are made possible by Talon's kit alone--it is the player outplaying you and your bot lane. I promise that if he was playing someone like Zed, Fizz, or even Ahri, the game would have turned out just as bad for you.

Overall, that one game is not a truthful representation of Talon's strength. It was one vastly superior player, probably on a smurf, kicking in the faces of other, less skilled players. If anything, this game sheds light on the negative repercussions of smurfing. So, please, understand that that was an unfair game because you were a level 25 player forced to play against someone who is definitely above silver, not because "Talon OP". If you have trouble learning from the experience, forget it, and move on. It wasn't your fault. But just know that you lost to the player and not the champion.

TL;DR: OP is a lvl25 player who got stomped by a smurfing Talon.

Edit: I have finally managed to contact the Talon who demolished OP. He's a plat smurf.

DaBabyKilla1 votes

level 4 he insta killed me

Steel Blossom2 votes

How about this, let's get into a custom game right now, and hit level 4 together to test if Talon has enough damage to 100-0 you lvl 4. If he does, I'll gift you ANY skin you want. ANY. Deal? Edit: I've sent the friend request.

DaBabyKilla1 votes

His damage was way too fucked up for a longsword pickaxe. you think I didn't try to stay out of his range lmao

Aeolian Melodies3 votes

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His damage was way too fucked up for a longsword pickaxe. you think I didn't try to stay out of his range lmao

You have exactly 0 armor and 0 pen in your runes... and you wonder why he outraded you... [zombie-brand-clap]

The Deckowner1 votes

there is no way a lv4 talon can kill an ahri in one combo, no fucking way.

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