Is it me or did the buff to twitch did nothing at all

IceKingChernobog·8/28/2015, 7:32:48 AM·34 votes·2,395 views

He still feels the same, i barely notice the damage on his ult and the lower mana cost on his Q wasnt really needed. Cause you know, he was lack luster because of his ult and Q mana costs...

36 Comments

Matezoide8/28/2015, 7:43:27 AM23 votes

I think Twitch's E should cost 40 mana, have a CD and Mana Cost reset/refund mechanic, stack infinitely and slow the target by 45% for 2 seconds.

Skia Asteri8/28/2015, 3:31:43 PM7 votes

If you would read the comments from Riot in the patch notes, it was not suppose to be much of a buff.

Fadedpf8/28/2015, 7:36:45 AM4 votes

On paper its a "buff". In reality it did nothing.

Castman8/28/2015, 7:08:28 PM4 votes

Twitch was buffed?

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Oh you mean those few extra ads on his ult?

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"Buffed"

Gangtank 8/28/2015, 8:03:05 AM3 votes

Twitch is actually well designed. It's the other ADCs that have him outclassed b/c of their ridiculous mobility that shouldn't be given to ranged Champions.

junglerboy168/28/2015, 2:13:25 PM3 votes

Expunge needs a stronger AD ratio. If Kalista gets to stack infinitely, at least Twitch should be able to get higher burst more quickly instead. That would really help differentiate the two and also reinforce Twitch's assassin carry identity.

Right now, after 6 attacks, Twitch's expunge deals 110/155/200/245/290 (+120% AP) (+150% bonus AD)

After 6 attacks, Kalista's deals 70/100/135/175/220 (+160/172.5/185/197.5/210% AD)

Kalista's scales much, much harder than twitch's, even though twitch is supposed to be the late game ADC of the two. Twitch should be rewarded for getting to max stacks and bursting a target, so how about this for a buff: Each consecutive stack causes expunge to deal 5% more bonus AD damage per stack than the last. At one stack it still only deals 25% bonus AD but at max stacks it would deal 50% bonus AD per stack, or 300% bonus AD total (this effectively causes each stack to add 25/35/45/55/65/75% bonus AD to the damage, rewarding you more for getting to higher stacks). This is still only a real buff for twitch's late game since it requires him to have both high attack speed and decent bonus AD to afford any reliable burst. Early game when he only has a Doran's blade, his trades in lane would at best deal about 15-30 extra damage if he were allowed to get max stacks, but late game his burst potential would become much, much better since with 200 bonus AD and some attack speed he could easily burst for about 900 damage after only a few seconds, which would make his assassination and team fight power more distinct and noticeable.

If this change made him too good early, they could always tweak the base damage component to 11/17/23/29/35 from 15/20/25/30/35, which takes off 20/15/10/5/0 total damage at max stacksand would easily compensate for the possible early game buff without hitting his mid-late game damage at all.

gubigubi8/28/2015, 9:08:08 PM3 votes

Twitch is just really out of meta atm. They would have to do some insane buffs to his damage to make a difference right now. He needs buffs else where so that he can avoid being destroyed the second he shows himself.

Really twitches damage is pretty fine. His durability/escape is terrible though.

LadyRenly8/28/2015, 3:14:54 PM2 votes

I think as long as he has his W, he will be slightly outclassed. He simply doesn't have a w ability

FistOfSharkiesha8/29/2015, 2:23:21 AM2 votes

Who could have forseen that giving him +4 AD for a few seconds every minute would have had such a little effect. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

TotalJerk8/29/2015, 12:36:09 PM1 votes

Twitch isn't even that bad. He's a solidly decent ADC.

Bard in a Diaper8/28/2015, 3:11:27 PM1 votes

he's actually pretty good, probably top 5 ADC. you just need to be actually good to play him so he isnt seen much. in higher diamond he gets played by specialists.

morde > Vayne > jinx > kalista > twitch rest garbo tier

Xela Syab8/28/2015, 6:14:26 PM1 votes

Twitch really needs lower mana costs on his Q or a lower channel time. He's kinda a combo caster carry, but unless he gets decent farm in lane or a kill he falls off worse than Lucian. THis is why Korean players do so well with Twitch is because they play so aggressively methodical they can get their combo bursts off. i like twitch but he's in a bad state due to the disengage adc meta (jinx,trist,vayne,kali) where he gets kited or cc'd really hard and just gets counterganked. He works better in a tanky adc meta (graves,urgot, ezreal)

COWmanLord8/28/2015, 7:18:45 PM1 votes

I believe this was more of a numbers clean up than a straight up buff. The buff was incredibly small as it is only about 4 extra damage per auto when ulting. Riot thought it was acceptable to do this because twitch is on the weaker side anyways, but it seems to be mainly for the purpose of cleaning up numbers and making things a bit easier to read/calculate.

A Miss Fortune8/28/2015, 7:21:10 PM1 votes

Twitch's problem is his entire kit revolves around his trashy passive.

At max rank, with full stacks, for the entire duration, the enemy takes 216 true damage. It's pretty pathetic and on top of that, Vayne who is basically Twitch 2.0 can do all of this damage and significantly more in just 3 auto attacks, half of what Twitch has to even stack to get this. Sure you could argue "He can apply it on multiple people" though doing this is almost impossible unless they're just standing there, and even then It's 216 damage individually IF you manage to get the max stacks on. This DOESN'T even count that most tanks regen more health than the damage is dealt to them late game, and even then a health potion or a Janna shield almost removes the effect of the passive. Let alone an actual heal like Soraka or Sona's, so even squishy little supports aren't that effected by it.

Twitch's passive needs to be stronger, early game is doesn't actually do damage, it just lowers the enemy's health regen. It doesn't even stop their health regen most of the time. And even when Twitch does hit his late game, the passive still does like, 1/4 of what Twitch can do in a single auto attack alone.

Most of his kit revolves around using the passive, but the passive is just bad. 216 damage is nothing for being at It's peak of power. It's damage is minimum and It's nearly impossible to fully stack it on an entire enemy teamfight unless they all AFK'ed in the middle of a fight or you have 6 Runaan's on Twitch.

arcinex8/28/2015, 9:43:01 PM1 votes

Rito might as well have added 1hp to that so called "buff"

OmniMoto8/29/2015, 1:17:37 AM1 votes

his mana cost was never the problem, the problem is that if twitch takes ANY sort of damage when trying to stealth it takes 6 seconds, so if you try to escape and a minion hits you, you ain't getting away

The Loveless8/29/2015, 6:00:39 AM1 votes

The patch notes mentioned it wasn't really a buff, but just cleaning up numbers since 36 as was an odd power boost.

disregardable8/28/2015, 7:35:34 AM1 votes

Most of Riot's buffs are barely noticeable.