Bronze I: How do I improve gameplay?

HyunL·6/6/2017, 2:17:40 AM·4 votes·555 views

I had other posts which kind of helped and got me from Bronze V to Bronze I. I found getting from Bronze V to Bronze I easy, but I'm struggling in Bronze I. I realized a some mistakes by facing a Silver III and examining my game, but I don't see much improvement. I noticed that my item builds aren't good, I keep losing easy lanes, and I don't know a lot about extending my lead to other lanes. I need help on how to carry and get out of Bronze I to Silver V and pretty much carry with Renekton or Talon. Another thing, Should I be splitpushing with Renekton or help my teammates?

15 Comments

Fondling Gems6/6/2017, 2:29:28 AM4 votes

I don't have a lot to go on since I don't have any videos of your gameplay and I am too lazy to try and find what info I can about your match history so here are some general off the cuff tips.

Ward. If you haven't placed 20 wards by 30 minutes you are doing something wrong. The one exception would be if you buy a sweeper.
Practice CSing. If you can get 5/6 minions every wave you will be doing better than pretty much anyone you fight. If you get less than 4/6 cs a wave you will start to find yourself falling behind in items as you rise. Notice I always use X/6 that is because if there is a cannon you should get it. Unless you would die/lose sums to do so it is always worth it, even if you have to use abilities.
Item builds are important. There are obvious things such as grievous wounds vs healers and whatnot but you need to learn the more in depth areas. You have a pretty small champ pool so you don't have as much to learn as some though. I would recommend looking up some builds for the champs you play and reading the notes about what situations to buy different items in. Then create a custom item set for the champs you play that has a section for early game items, defensive, ahead, vs tanks, etc. If there are items that are specific counters to other champions then have a section that has stuff like "Vs Ahri/Syndra" with the items under it.

Also make sure that at the top of the item sets you have potions, control wards, and your elixir. In fact you might want to just have an entire line of control wards, those are important.

When looking for general guides my favourite Youtuber is a guy named ScrapComputer. A lot of his stuff is a bit outdated but the theories behind them hold true. He also does some pretty damn good analysis on videos of different champions playing which you can learn a lot from. Alternatively find a different guy who does general guides that you like.

Takazaki6/6/2017, 3:31:38 AM3 votes

I've done multiple bronze to silver climbs and the best thing i did was to basically get fed myself and be the one to make a pick ( this can lead to bad habits and mixed results ) normally no matter how bad your team is, if you're able to kill a carry + 1 more person you should basically auto win the game as you turnt he game into a 4v3 with the other team being down a carry. Crippling a teams damage dealer sis by far the easiest ( imo ) way for me to win

NinjaGuy696/6/2017, 2:33:06 AM3 votes

You can beat your lane opponent in other ways than just killing him in lane and the easiest way is to build a gold lead over your opponent by just farming better than them. That's the best thing you can do in your case. Work on consistency with your farming and continuously work on improving your cs. Two other important aspect of laning while farming is conserving mana and positioning:

You should focus on last hitting with your auto attacks instead of your spells because your spells will likely push the wave to your opponents side of the map. This would force you to overextend in lane, which is risky because you would be more vulnerable to a gank that way.
Conserve your mana as much as possible because you'll likely need it for several reasons which includes trading with your lane opponent if they engage on you, assisting your jungler with a gank or using your mobility spells/cc spells to escape from a gank.

DemainaNyx6/6/2017, 5:50:38 AM2 votes

Check out a Youtuber/Streamer by the name of SoloRenektonOnly. As his name suggests, he plays a lot of Renekton and thus has a lot of advice about different match up with Renekton and such, plus he offers advice about when to roam, push, freeze, tp, etc.

Learn what your core items are on your champ.
I believe Renekton normally rushes Black Cleaver and Hydra (either works). After that, it's situational. If they have a Rumble, Cassiopeia, Karthus, get Adaptive Helm. Heavy AP, get Spirits Visage or Maw. Heavy AD, Deadmans or Randuins. Is someone else carrying, maybe get Knight's Vow for your armor item to help keep them alive. Is your AP damage dealer doing well, maybe get Abyssal Mask.

For Talon, most tend to rush Youmuu's and Black Cleaver before just getting the rest of the Lethality items. If you are in an AP match up and losing, maybe rush Maw. AD match up and losing, maybe Black Cleaver or Lifesteal. You can get Ravenous Hydra if you want to push the lane faster or plan to splitpush.

As far as when to splitpush or be with team, it depends. If you are really far ahead, splitpushing can be a good thing cause it will force the enemy to send multiple people to deal with you, giving the rest of your team a break. You just need to play smartly when splitpushing so you don't get caught, or the splitpush is worthless.

WitchQueen Annie6/7/2017, 4:59:37 PM2 votes

Renekton is good. I used him to get past a brick wall in Silver 3 and 2.

He's a strong laner so in most match ups you want to crush top lane. HOWEVER, you can't afford to get Ganked so don't over-push.

If you lose the lane (die twice), you should not go damage but instead go HEAVY tank ASAP (forget about Cleaver rush). TANK THE HELL UP. item 3068 is strong for creating a brick wall in Top to defend your tower.

Several scenarios (just general guidelines):

1. You win lane, the rest of your team is overwhelmingly feeding (you are behind by more than 5 points and several towers have fallen elsewhere)

Just keep split pushing to try to draw their team to you. 75% you've lost anyways but its the only option left.

2. You win lane/go even, the rest of your team is a bit behind (within 5 points)

Take Tier 1 tower and then TRY grouping up a few times. See if there is any synergy with your team. In low elo you can bait the enemy team into firing all of their spells AT THE TANK more than half the time. This is often more than enough to turn the tide (all of a sudden your team is shooting at their carries while the enemy is wasting their weapons on you). If you establish this pattern (they fire at you instead of at the ADC/Mid), you will start to win team fights.

But if you notice this isn't working and team fighting actually leads your team to fall further behind, go back to split pushing. But I'd say you've lost 75% of the time.

3. You lose/feed lane, the rest of your team is even/ahead

Buy item 3068 and just DEFEND YOUR POSITION. Just stay in Top lane and hope you get carried. Create a complete brick wall so that the other Top laner can't get your tower and may get frustrated and leave. If he leaves, then you can push to his tower and split push. If he stays, he's not getting past you so long as you tower hug and keep spamming Armor items and limit his kills. Usually in these games, you have better players in other parts of the map who can carry and your only job is to defend that tower and not feed further. It becomes a test of your defense abilities.

4. You lose/feed lane, the rest of your team is behind

Same as 3... but I'd say you've lost 90% of the time regardless.

Akali is SO HOT6/6/2017, 3:38:05 AM2 votes

One thing is to make sure bot lane wins at all costs. That means roaming bot as Talon and TP ganking bot as Renekton. Whoever wins bot usually wins the game because that's just how this game works. You can splitpush with Renekton if you have TP available, but otherwise it's a better idea to push out your lane and to group up with your team after laning phase is over

Solidarius6/6/2017, 5:28:16 AM2 votes

I suggest taking summoner 14 over summoner 12 99.99% of the time.

The reason being is that tele is complex and can backfire if used wrong, or teammates dont go in, ect ect especially in our lower "elo"

increase your map awareness, and game awareness... example:always look at the minimap when "backing" or clearing a ward ect... press TAB to see the "score" when you have the opportunity... its best to look at enemy laner CS/items then your teammates/enemy team.

learn each champs weakness/strengths at points of game... for example Renekton =early/mid game bully, Vayne = early/mid game weak but shes a late game monster.

it takes a while especially if your "new" but each and every game you should learn something new about something I dont care if its wards/builds/champs ect

if your losing easy lanes its because of three reasons, 1.= not respecting opponent, 2.= your last hitting/cs/wave manipulation is not as good as your lane opponent, 3,= not warding/respecting jg/ potential roams.

concerning items builds: always improvise and experiment with what works does not work for you. some people rush item 1055 others use item 1054 some go item 3675 or even item 1036 it all depends on your lane/champ and these are only the "starting" items.

with Rene you should usually splitpush especially if you won your lane can can safely do so but if your teammates "NEED" you for whatever reason then you should help them... a good idea is to ask them "you guys ok, want help or should I splitpush"... most of the times they will tell you via pings ect ect

goodluck [slayer-jinx-wink]

muted team chat6/6/2017, 1:28:51 PM2 votes

https://youtu.be/R8BtklaSWl0

this vid covers the basics you'll need to think aabout

just OK jungler6/7/2017, 3:07:58 PM2 votes

dont die*[slayer-jinx-catface]*

HyunL6/7/2017, 3:12:08 AM1 votes

i did these things and im almost in promos to silver 5 it'll be hard but i will remember these helpful tips. Thanks everyone

Tobias Brackner6/6/2017, 6:37:11 AM1 votes

Splitpush with Renekton. Set up your team for 4v2s since they have to send 2 people to deal with you. Grouping with Renekton is a bad thing, he doesn't have a lot to provide to a teamfight (assuming they have a superior teamfight comp that is).

A good thing is to look for chances to out-roam your opponents. Ward up their jungle after you Gator Golf the enemy laner. You see the Jungler? Go for the kill. Multiple enemies roaming top? Look to run/tp elsewhere and trade/take towers. Of course if you are super fed don't be afraid to hold against the dive. A Renekton ahead can easily kill 3 people under his tower in the first 20 minutes.

This is a little dirty, but there is also great power in playing safe even when ahead, not scared mind you, but safe. Bronzies tend to place a mythical status on anyone performing really well in a game. If you keep getting kills but not dying, it doesn't matter if they have other people doing almost as well, they will slowly give up hope and perform worse and worse. The moment they kill you, however, they will magically start playing better. This bizarre deification is not true with all Bronzies, but enough to rank up.

AR URF6/6/2017, 6:05:56 AM1 votes

This is going to seem vague, but learn how to not button spam. I had to get away from champions like XinZhao , Ziggs , Veigar , Zed , Rengar etc because my combos would look like qqweewqwewewqe vs q, aa, e aa, w, aa or something like that depending on the champion. I used to play XinZhao and my button spam on him would look something similar to e qwwqwqwqwqwqw spamming. It works ok on him, but it starts a bad habit. I still struggle with button spamming under certain tense situations, where i feel like i've blasted all my combos, but yeah that's how I am able to improve my gameplay. I know that it's easier said than done stuff. It just stakes practice.

When you can farm well, effectively use combos,ward, and know when to play aggressive and when to play passive you'll do just fine. Like for example if I'm Darius and the enemy is Teemo , i'm not going to play aggressive. Vayne can help you learn your positioning better, but is a very hard champ to play IMO, because it's easy to e the enemy away from yourself. Last thing I suggest is spanning your champion pool. If you're constantly playing Veigar , or Heimerdinger , or Garen , or Ziggs , than you're not going to experience fully what this game has to offer, which is complex mechanics. I personally love the challenge of complex mechanics because if i can improve my mechanics, than it just makes the simpler champions that much easier.