wanna know why fiora's winrate is low

freepointzs·3/7/2016, 6:52:52 PM·25 votes·4,503 views

it isn't because she is weak like some fiora mains try to claim. It's because her strength is dueling/splitpushing. In solo que/dynamic que games are pretty much decided by teamfights. It's why heavy aoe damage/cc champions have always been strong in this environment. split pushing is just hard to pull off in a non-ranked 5's environment.

Doesn't make her any less unhealthy. She is impossible to duel, gets rewarded too much for going into a tanky build, is impossible to itemize against due to percent true damage.

It's just that her strength's are best utilized in a coordinated environment (lcs) rather than solo que where constant ARAM pushes are the norm

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WadeWilson13373/7/2016, 7:25:25 PM8 votes

The biggest issue i personally have Fiora is that she outscales basically every top laner in the game. Usually when you scale harder than an Irelia, your early game suffers as a consequence, but this isnt the case at all. Fiora has infuriating poke with her Q, sustain, and if you try to trade on her she can just pop her W and bounce away. And then beyond level 6, if she has her ult, you basically cant fight her without jungle help as no one can 1v1 her. Its just dumb thats shes strong at all points in the game.

AwesomeChad3/7/2016, 7:10:34 PM5 votes

and thats why riot uses LCS/competitive league to get a better idea of what needs to be nerfed.

Very Hard Engage3/7/2016, 6:55:16 PM3 votes

not at all, its that people below plat dont have the "mechanics" to play her right, because in LCS shes a monster at out dueling everyone in a 1v1 in the bot lane split push game.

people are just upset they cant get a penta with her anymore or blow up the enemy back line.

Silents4293/7/2016, 8:10:14 PM3 votes

Doesn't make her any less unhealthy. She is impossible to duel,

I have 2 trundle games in my match history where I completely destroyed Fiora

I have another one a bit further back as Garen where I comically beat her too.

I have 2 from last patch where my Shen was insane against her.

I don't know if I just naturally play Fiora counters, but she really isn't that hard to play against.

MLDzXnRRR3/8/2016, 8:18:00 AM2 votes

This forum demonized Fiora. There are way stronger champions out there at the moment and some them are even more annoying to play against. She is not even that popular. Someone could decide that Fiora is in every game, but she is not from the most popular champions. Check lolking and champion.gg. She was popular for 2 weeks after the rework and then people stopped spamming her.

YCitizenSnipsY3/8/2016, 2:16:23 AM2 votes

"It's just that her strength's are best utilized in a coordinated environment (lcs) rather than solo que where constant ARAM pushes are the norm"

Is that why she has a negative win rate in every region, other than NA which is the worse major region?

Luxana Crowngard3/7/2016, 6:54:45 PM2 votes

Dis is why you play Fiora Support :^)

The Deckowner3/8/2016, 2:13:23 AM1 votes

fioea just have a low winrate in lower elo and less practiced players, her winrate with 125+ games played is 55%

hotarse3/8/2016, 3:08:30 AM1 votes

win rate is low because all her mains got big jumps in mmr pushing them up into territory they frankly don't belong in.

Sassmast3r3/8/2016, 5:40:02 AM1 votes

Fiora's winrate isn't even low though; it's actually in a pretty decent range for both ranked and normals. Not that winrates have massive impact on how I feel or the community should feel on a champion, as winrates only seriously mean anything if we're talking a SEVERE difference from other champions, drop from prior winrate, etcetera. Regardless, Fiora seems to be doing decently if we're talking statistics-wise and not realistically.

Don't even get me started on her actual kit though.

Spoofghoul3/8/2016, 10:48:35 AM1 votes

i just pick Heimerdinger into the Fiora

Then i build item 3146 and item 3116

cos fuck fiora just kite for days and heal while you do it

also dont forget to throw the stun when her lunge animation starts it helps alot

LatetotheRace3/8/2016, 5:29:07 PM1 votes

It's also because literally everyone wants to play her whether they're good or not.

Bisaknosp3/7/2016, 8:39:06 PM1 votes

if you leave out the tanky part this description also fits for Vayne

Erockandroll3/7/2016, 9:13:24 PM1 votes

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Doesn't make her any less unhealthy. She is impossible to duel, gets rewarded too much for going into a tanky build, is impossible to itemize against due to percent true damage.

It's just that her strength's are best utilized in a coordinated environment (lcs) rather than solo que where constant ARAM pushes are the norm

It continues to sound as if anyone with Dueling power is Unhealthy. The very fact that she becomes a Monster in Dueling, is indicative of her title as "The Grand Duelist." Her dueling won't get nerfed, because that's exactly what she's suppose to be good at. Rather Riot would want to nerf what should be intended weaknesses. (Even though it seems like they are not sure what those are suppose to be.) They also don't want to remove the %HP true damage, cause that's what allows duelists to 1v1 anyone, without becoming completely oppressive against Squishy targets. Duelists are designed to have few means of actually counterbuilding (otherwise tanks would brush everything off.) Yet Fiora's vitals are designed to add counterplay, in place of Counter building. (Though perhaps there is too little Counterplay because she can proc vitals too easily, or too often.)

That in mind, I do agree that she benefits way too much from tank itemization. A duelist should probably be pretty vulnerable to Burst and assassinations, compared to tankier counterparts.

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if you leave out the tanky part this description also fits for

Arguably, Vayne does have some Counter build options, as her W is based on her AS. Meaning that she's affected by AS slows from Randuins and Frozen heart. On the same token though, the Fact that her W scales with AS means that her Actual shreading ability can scale heavily, later in the game. Not so much with Fiora, as her passive is gated largely by how often Vitals show up on her target.

Then again, the fact that Fiora's passive isn't nearly as scaling reliant, is likely the reason why Tanky Fiora even works. Even if that wasn't the case, not being completely scaling reliant on her passive means that she's a lot harder to put her behind.

Scoroct3/7/2016, 10:00:55 PM1 votes

Personally, I am sorta ok with Fiora being able to duel anyone, and also being built as a bruiser (which is what most duelists are, try to duel jax, yi or irelia, xin, the only full glass cannon duelists are assasins and tryndamere basically) although i do agree she probably does too much damage (or maybe its that she sustains too well without building dmg). although honestly without her ult tank fiora seems to not do as much as people make it out to be, making QSS against tank fiora extremely effective later on.

I think a very annoying thing though is that you cant choose to not fight her due to her w being a 50% attack speed and movement speed slow that works even if you didnt hit her. I think a reasonable nerf is that her w should have no affects on enemy champions unless they damage her while she uses it, or something like that. It sorta lets her fight many laners at lvl 3 cause they cant get away or trade back even if they dont waste attacking her during it.

Shahamut3/7/2016, 10:12:31 PM1 votes

I beat her frequently as Skarner... straight up 1v1 after I get a few items... :/

Frius3/7/2016, 10:20:20 PM1 votes

50% winrate

some just get nerfed if they have 45-46% so fiora is bshit

Zonkman3/7/2016, 11:09:48 PM1 votes

No its because I cant carry these low elo scrubs with my super secret ap fiora build