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Why is everyone's first thought for every slightly strong thing "REVERT REVERT REVERT"?

DuskDaUmbreon·12/25/2018, 4:40:00 AM·3 votes·1,185 views

Honestly. There are countless posts about it. A champion/rune/item is too strong? "Revert it to what it was before!"

The purpose of a rework isn't to balance something. The purpose of a rework is to make something be able to be balanced.

Both old Akali and old Aatrox had huge, glaring issues with their kit, and I'm pretty sure we all know what they were. They weren't reworked to the most balanced state, but that wasn't the intent behind them. The intent was to make them able to be balanced. Old Aatrox was stuck in a state of either being OP because item/rune abuse or useless because GW is a thing and he was basically a huge stat check. Akali was rather balanced pre-rework, but it was a shit experience for everyone, because there were maybe 3 champions who didn't abuse her pre-6, and there were maybe 3 champions she didn't slaughter as soon as she hit 6, and there was basically nothing you could really do against her as a squishy except die as she dashed to your frontline, shrouded, dashed on top of you to explode you, then dashed back to safety.

The design team rarely releases something in a balanced state because it's almost impossible to do so. The only champion in my memory who was released balanced was Warwick's rework. Players abuse the champions in unexpected ways, or numbers aren't balanced right due to that not really being their job anyways, etc....

Reverts should only ever be used if the champion's kit itself turns out worse than before. They should not be used just because there's number tuning needed. That's like demanding a new burger just because you didn't put ketchup on it.

8 Comments

DrCyanide12/25/2018, 5:05:21 AM3 votes

The purpose of a rework isn't to balance something. The purpose of a rework is to make something be able to be balanced.

Reverts should only ever be used if the champion's kit itself turns out worse than before.

You've answered why people call for reverts - they see the rework as more problematic to balance than it was before.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect it to take less than 6 months for Riot to get a champion more-or-less in a good spot balance wise. If a champion is taking longer than 2 or 3 months to balance it's a good indication there's too many issues to deal with in their kit design.

Hotarµ12/25/2018, 5:00:31 AM2 votes

I think you make a great point overall, but especially when you say:

The purpose of a rework isn't to balance something. The purpose of a rework is to make something be able to be balanced.

If it was easy to simply buff/nerf something and make it work, chances are Riot probably would have done it.

So many people overlook the simple fact that things like old Aatrox's kit of DPS/Drain-Tank wouldn't work. Is new Aatrox balanced? To a large majority of people, god no. But atleast we can actually fight him most of the time and he has the potential to have his numbers changed instead of having to remain dumpster-fire tier like old Aatrox was since his inception.

Great post, have an updoot.

Abibyama II12/25/2018, 11:38:37 AM2 votes

Yep, 'Just Revert' is the same thing as 'Just dodge the skillshot'. It is such a 4Head thing to say

Infernape12/25/2018, 4:53:46 AM1 votes

Reverts should only ever be used if the champion's kit itself turns out worse than before.

Imo from a balance perspective Akali's current kit is infinitely worse than it was before. She's reminding me of old Poppy. Riot is kneecapping her every time she rears her head simply because they either cannot balance her kit or do not want to get rid of the true stealth mechanic. Much like when Riot flat out nerfed Poppy every time she became meta because of how anti fun her ultimate was.

Even though she is statistically a troll pick, she's the second most banned champion in plat+ and is in the top 10 most banned champs across all elos and has been the most banned from the second her VGU hit live up until 8.24b. And I doubt that will shift unless Riot nerfs her further, which they would most likely do.

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I do agree the REEEVERT is used too liberally. Certain champs that got reverted needed them (like Kog) though.

Just Monikha12/31/2018, 8:55:24 PM1 votes

So Shaco deserves his revert for you ? Since his winrate is super high thanks to OTP and his kit is super trash and can t be nerfed more ? If yes then i m glad to see more people waiting for this :D