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About Talon's E silence removal. (Yes another one)

Constantine22·9/27/2014, 11:37:45 PM·5 votes·2,316 views

Okay. Here are my thoughts. I agree with Riot for removal of silence on assassins who have mobility like Leblanc and Kassadin. But Talon doesn't have mobility. Just one blink.So by removing silence, when Talon E's to lets say, Ezreal/Lucian they dash away instantly. so what does a Talon do? he is a sitting duck. If he tries to chase with his Ult he is basicly uses everything for a full hp target which is not ideal.

Talon isn't like Zed where he can Ult and then use W to keep chasing. But i understand how the victims feel. So what i suggest is a rework. Rework him so that he doesnt need a silence to land a Q. cause lets face it. Late game his Q is his main form of damage. Like Nasus. but Nasus can just tank attacks to walk to the enemy and Q them. Talon cant do that.

But please for the love of God don't just remove his silence and leave him like that cause he is unviable without it. I know you want to test how he is without it but dont do it on Live servers. Bring the silence back until you have reworked his whole kit. And when i say rework i mean total rework. just keep his theme (aoe assassin that throws blades) and work around that. make his E just a blink with no bonus effects but let it have 2 charges for example. Increase his mobility somehow so that he can do his job without needing a silence.

TL:DR Riot please dont test things on live servers. Bring the silence back and test how Talon works without it on the Test servers. Rework him so that he doesnt need a silence and then bring him to live servers. The whole mentality "Lets nerf/buff this/that and see how we go from there" should be for test servers. Not Live.

27 Comments

The5lacker9/28/2014, 12:19:41 AM5 votes

It's not just his lack of mobility: LB's and Kass's silences were also targeted harassment abilities. Targeted harassment that completely shuts down any attempt at counter-harassment is bad design. We all agree on this, right?

Talon's silence wasn't harassment. It was combo. That's all he does, and they've basically removed that from him. If Talon silences you and begins attempting to murder you, you know what the correct thing you should do would be? Have a teammate nearby because you know Talon is explicitly designed to murder squishy targets 1v1 and you should always be protecting your more vulnerable teammates. You know, because this is a team game.

Nathaniell19/28/2014, 6:51:54 PM3 votes

Yeah.. thing it, Talons dmg isnt weak, but he just have no escape, no defensive ability, and his only kind-of-escape is his ult which means he wont kill his target. This change doesnt just make talon weaker, it made him no-one-gona-play-this-champ because we have Zed. Seriously, why would anyone play Talon instead of Zed? Zad has better dmg, better pasive (and skill %AD passive) (Talons passive is one of the worst in the game). Zed doesnt need mana, can poke from great distance without risking anything, he has absolutely epic escape with ulty (and even gank escape with shadow) Talon have neither of these. Now without silence, both of their bursts are possible to be hourglassed. So, can anyone from Riot tell me why we should play Talon? Every now and then you are saying how important is to have different champion who feel uniq and still good/strong. But Zed is just supperior Talon without AOE ulty.

Constantine229/27/2014, 11:39:05 PM1 votes

Sorry for my English. I'm from Greece so English is not my main language so prepare to see some grammar mistakes :p

ULTRAF0RCE9/28/2014, 5:50:51 PM1 votes

I think that Riot may be just trying to remove all targeted silences because with talon gone the only targeted silence is fiddlesticks, Garen silences with an auto attack blitz's ult is an aoe silence around him, and Cho'Gath, Malzahar, and the reworked Soraka have aoe skill shot silences. If Fiddlesticks gets reworked there will be 0 targeted ranged silences which is probably what riot wants to remove.

Pvt Yong Tai10/27/2014, 4:57:10 PM1 votes

My biggest gripe is that they removed his channel breaker. That was probably unintentional(?) but it was a HUGE nerf to Talon. Fuck the .25 second slow. Give him a .25 second silence. That's more than good enough.

l RET l1/7/2016, 1:48:58 PM1 votes

I agree, after the update I only thought that a few things changed, but when my friend told me that Talon's E silence was removed, it broke my heart. considering he is my main champion in league of legends (If I get the chance to be Talon, I would take it)

After... THE UPDATE, there were Yasuo's everywhere (Mainly mid against me, who was every time Talon) sometimes I won and other times I lost. The times I won, the player (who was Yasuo) called Talon a noob champ and broke my heart even further because of players who pick noob champs and can't win with them, but request immediate buff for the champ. It is incredibly unfair to take Talon's silence away...

I agree with the mobility as well of Talon, if you Q and E into combat and you have no dash and also noticed.. "Mistakes were made" YOU WILL DIE.

Talon's silence will make sure you can at least survive a few seconds longer in combat and might, just might save you.

For most of my game time of league of legends I played Talon and I'm not even close to being pro with him (But every day helps). I would really like if his silence was brought back. Just yesterday I fought a Teemo mid... Yeah, silence would have been really useful :/

Really love playing, but hate to hear that a OP champ was promoted to NOOB OP champ... Wait... what was this about?

...

OH YEAH!

BRING BACK TALON'S SILENCE!

pwretty pwease :)