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I hate League of Dragons

Yi Wreck Shen·11/22/2014, 3:48:14 PM·5 votes·1,966 views

Personally i hate everything about season 5 so far. These changes basically turned this into a completely new game and has made it more of a PVM game more then anything. A game that i no longer really like. I have spent probably 200+ dollars on "League of Legends" a game that i have been playing for the past 7 months and that i was really enjoying. I just hit 30 about a month ago and did my promos. Got into Silver 4. Not bad. Love the game and wanting to get better at the game. I dont have the time to put into this game like a lot of other people do. Not all of your users are kids or people with a lot of time on their hands.

So you are telling me now after i just spent the past 7 months learning this game, learning to jungle , learning stratagy for "Summoners Rift" and learning champions that now i have to re learn everything about this game? And its not even like these were good changes, these changes are commonly being complained about here and other message boards. Id say there is a much largery majority of people who dislike the changes then of those who like the changes. Watching twitch, a lot of the top streamers are not a fan of this either.

What you did was turn this game into a PVE game more then a PVP game. It use to be a game about farming, itemization and skill. You took most of that out of the game by changing dragon and its rewards. There are players and champions soloing dragon by level 3. IF the opposing team gets first blood and they get an early dragon... that Lane is now destroyed. No matter what.

So now what happens at dragon #2? Really easy to just say oh well other team go get that dragon now and you are even... WEll for the last 6 mins the other team has been 8% stronger then you, have been getting bullied in lane because you are now weaker, may have gotten killed once or twice (lets nto forget their jungler is now much stronger and now has an OP summoners spell) So now you fight for that second dragon... Under leveled, under farmed and with 40% less damage then the other team. Yes... 40% damage. 5x8=40. Or maybe top lane isnt envolved so its only 32% . Best believe at least 4 people will be at that second dragon. And once that second dragon is lost it GG. Another 6 mins of being 8% weaker and underfarmed. Opponents are now destroying minions and its now easier to CS. They do 15% more damage to monsters so now they are clearing your jungle and making it impossible for your team to come back. Now you have teamates clearing your wraiths which are now on a longer timer so you cant even jungle in your own jungle. Oh and third dragon is up now and they do 15% more danage to it. They probably have already killed baron because they are at about that level where they can do that and they do 15% more damage to it also.

I honestly hate the changes to this game. Im not a fan of the jungle buff camps either, and this is from somone who likes to jungle. Gromp is a stupid looking creature. The Raptors are stupid looking. IF IT ISNT BROKE DONT FIX IT.

You guys just had a really successsfull worlds tournement with a ton of streamers. Thousands of new people probably join per day... and you go and completely rechange the entire game. The game was nearly perfect and you ruined it imo.

The game was very simple but at the same time very complex. Kind of like Chess. Now you just made the game complex to learn for any new users and made things like killing dragon more important then grabbing a turrent.

You made this game more of a FF @20 game more then anything. You made it impossible for teams who are behind to make a comeback and still win. You ruined league of legends IMO and as a customer and a fan of the game i am pretty mad you completely changed the game and the strategic aspect of the game.

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9 Comments

1Rival11/22/2014, 4:13:50 PM4 votes

I'm going to try to answer this response as nice as possible...

For a player that's only played for 7 months, you haven't experienced much with this game compared to the last 3 seasons. Season 4 was just layers of polishes of the first 3 seasons, therefore everyone has effectively figured out how to play every role with every champ in the game. I'm sure you've read all kinds of articles and watched all sorts of videos on strategy on how to play. Riot has changed the way the game is going to be played, it encourages way more meaningful interactions than it ever has been. If the game wasn't changed, we'd see the same 16 champions in every LCS game.

You mentioned that the game used to be PVP focused, while it is more PVE focused now. You provided examples that farming creeps and itemization is the reason why it was PVP focused... To me, I see farming creeps and itemization considered as PVE.

You mentioned that dragon is the major source of the imbalanced games. You are indeed correct that first dragon does give the team 8% increases in their damage. And yes, 8 x 5 is 40%... but this is the wrong calculation to use here.

If you have 5 players, and you give each of them an 8% increase in damage, this does not equate to them having an overall 40% damage increase.

Let me put it this way, 5 players + 8% damage increase = 5 + (0.08 x 5) = 5.40 effective team damage

If we would have done it your way: 5 players + 40% damage = 5 + (0.4 x 5) = 7.0 effective team damage

Overall, something needed to be changed for this next season, otherwise the game would have gone stale. The same 4 strategies were being used every game. Now more junglers can be introduced, more teamwork to take objectives, and more champions are able to initiate team fights or dive turrets. This opens up countless new strategies.

You will learn that every season is a new meta, learn the meta as fast as possible and you will excel. League of Legends is an ever changing game, don't expect it to be the same game from 1 year to the next.

-Morale

PenguinChocobo11/22/2014, 4:07:50 PM3 votes

I think you both are wrong, the changes are good. easy comebacks now if you ask me

SnowFall11/22/2014, 3:59:08 PM2 votes

I mean, who likes comebacks? Riot doesn't, that's for sure.

Tsunday11/22/2014, 4:39:48 PM2 votes

8% means nothing in terms of AD in botlane early game. A) the support more often than not has 0 AP at that point (and is half of the time a tank support nyway) B) it's like an extra 8AD at most for the adc. Again the enemy jungler isn't far built yet either so he isn't making use of this dragon very much.

I also don't see how the other team has 40% more damage than you? They only have eight percent more damage than you. 10 people with 100AD. One team gets dragon. Team A) 500AD Team B) 500AD x 108% = 540 (108 + 108 + 108 + 108 + 108) 8% is not 40%. 8% makes a difference when you're full build, 8% doesn't make a difference when all you have is a doran's.

You guys just had a really successsfull worlds tournement with a ton of streamers. Thousands of new people probably join per day... and you go and completely rechange the entire game. The game was nearly perfect and you ruined it imo.

you've been playing for 7 months, you didn't see pre-season 4. They make huge changes every preseason. That's what pre-season i for. They make changes, they experiment and 4.21 whatever is wrong with the new jungle will get sorted out. Before last season? Supports could buy as many wards as they wanted, there were no trinkets, pretty much it was the support's job to ward and since there were no gold income items, supports never really had money and therefore didn't build anything. Leona became 'OP' because she could actually make it to tank status once the gold income items came about. They added passive gold to the jungler items, they removed items, reworked items, changed up the jungle by adding a new jungle camp They took away Oracles which meant teemo shrooms and champions with invisibility ran rampant all over the map, they had vision wards which were visible so that people with invisibility had to destroy them before going invisible again, walking back into your lane, and slaughtering you.

That's not how the game worked before last November. They changed the game to that last November. Competitive play would be boring if the game stayed completely the same.

Personally I love the new dragon. I've always mained botlane. Support over ADC but I will play either just fine. I used to put a big emphasis on dragon, especially if my top lane was behind because I wanted him to get the gold to catch up. Toplane is the meta champion that pushes like crazy so top is gonna work on getting us a tower, midlane is the lane my elo all tries to rush down to take all the towers and end game with, so mid tower is cool, I therefore don't care as much for my tower. Yes I would like it, but I would much rather take dragon and give my top/midlane (aka the lanes I am not directly involved in) a boost.

To put it this way dragon was always important, it was always meant to be important. You have two out of five champions in botlane for better control over dragon. That isn't a 'new' thing, that meta has been around for a while. Dragon has always been meant to be highly contested, and I enjoy that.

The game was very simple but at the same time very complex. Kind of like Chess. Now you just made the game complex to learn for any new users and made things like killing dragon more important then grabbing a turret.

Beginning users didn't jungle to begin with. They all fight over mid and then decide you have have 2 or 3 mid and then 1 or 2 in the other lanes, or whatever. Top tower and mid tower are still important, bot tower is important too. The difference is botlane can take a tower if they can kill/push back the enemy botlane 1 time after about level 6. If you're taking dragon that means your jungler is either by botlane to gank for you, or it means that you were winning botlane hard enough that you're already out trading them and should be able to take their tower, no problem, in the next few minutes. It's easier to take dragon while the enemy isn't there and then tower when they are if you have 2 ranged people who don't have to get in the enemy team's face to take the tower.

You made this game more of a FF @20 game more then anything. You made it impossible for teams who are behind to make a comeback and still win. You ruined league of legends IMO and as a customer and a fan of the game i am pretty mad you completely changed the game and the strategic aspect of the game.

This isn't even near true. just my last game I went 5/6/16 as malphite. Our team got 0 barons 0 dragons. Enemy team got 1 baron 4 dragons. They were ahead in gold for the first 18 minutes, we caught up but right before the game ended they were 4.4k above us. Our support was 4/15 and our jungler was 4/15 their support is sitting there like 'hey what up I'm just a 9/9/21 leona about to dive in and wreck your face with my mad 1v1 tank skills'.

It didn't matter that enemy Nidalee was 20/3 (every time she did almost die it was cougar pounce away) or that our ADC had 17 deaths, or that they had four dragons because we had teamwork, we made smart plays, and we made our comeback. 2 dragons do not mean GG. I'm sure I have plenty of games where I'm ahead by 2 dragons early and we still lost horribly. I've had plenty of games with one team making a comeback last second. I'm not going to SS@20, if your team wants to fine, more LP and time to play another game for me. But I don't believe a game is over until the nexus goes down, and I believe the new smite effects will help turn games around if used correctly. Better vision, better defense and a lot more options.

bL711/22/2014, 4:13:53 PM1 votes

It's true that Jungle currently has a lot of control over the game, I also agree that Dragon control currently plays a huge part in winning/losing games. Riot said they were trying to make trading turret for a dragon have different outcomes, but it seems like now you must always go for Dragon. I mean 8% damage output on the first dragon? I'm pretty sure the 150 global gold or so that used to be given on the first dragon, would not increase an entire team's damage output by 8%. I can see how learning jungle last season and seeing all the new changes would frustrate you as a player. You have to understand that this is preseason, Riot is going to change a lot of things before Season 5 actually begins, to balance everything out. It's just the way it is, If you keep playing relatively consistently throughout preseason and the beginning of Season 5, you will grasp all the new concepts and everything will eventually feel normal again.

PS: If you ever just want to have some fun, play 3v3! It seems that everyone has forgotten about this mode, it's very fun to play, the games are quick, and relaxed. I find that there are a lot less ragers as well.

Good luck and have fun!