Can we revert turrets to where penetration doesn't apply to them?

Reaper Review·5/29/2016, 8:46:18 PM·39 votes·1,368 views

In patch 6.9, turret defenses were modified so that they now have Armor and MR values, but in exchange are now subject to penetration.

BASE HEALTH: 4000 ⇒ 3300 BASE ARMOR: 0 ⇒ 40 BASE MAGIC RESISTANCE: 0 ⇒ 40 NEW - TURRET PENETRATION: Turrets are now subject to armor and magic penetration effects.

This is probably a contributing factor to the current spreading popularity of the flat Armor Pen items, and turrets are already weak enough as it is.

Also, the turrets after the outer ones gain bonus Armor/MR after a certain duration passes, rather than starting when the turret before them falls. If you push a turret down quick enough (the inner turrets start gaining bonus defenses at 16 minutes, and the inhibitor turrets at 31 minutes), you can start hitting the next one before it begins to fortify itself. If you have Ghostblade when you do this, you're literally ignoring HALF the turret's armor. (Even aside from that, they only gain 2 bonus Armor/MR per minute, up to a cap of 30.)

Do the flat ArPen items really need THIS advantage on top of everything else they can do?

45 Comments

Akali is SO HOT5/29/2016, 10:53:56 PM7 votes

how in god's name can you people still be asking for turret buffs. Do you just want them to 1 shot everyone while being invincible?

The MechE5/30/2016, 7:10:32 PM2 votes

After playing Heroes of The Storm for so long, I've realized how crappy the item system is in league. You don't get to build the fun items like ghostblade and stuff in ranked unless you play a specific champ. It's a shame really

BloodyTompon5/30/2016, 2:14:07 AM2 votes

The idea behind adding in armour was to reduce the time for first tower trades to occur. Nobody has enough armour pen in the beginning of the game so they have more HP and last longer.

DarkRitual5/29/2016, 10:41:29 PM2 votes

It's only fair for something with resistances to be subject to resistances penetration. They would have to lower HP to balance it out, which only brings things back the other way. I think it's fine as-is, with perhaps just some fine tuning of numbers needed.

Crowe Stalker5/30/2016, 5:51:53 PM2 votes

If they wanted to make turrets more durable, just give them more health. I liked the removal of armor/mr from the turrets and minions in exchange for added health values (it was a change to make Last Hitting no longer require calculation and I like that change, I just wish they did on Monsters, makes no god damn sense why they have armor/mr values.) making the armor and mr benefit from flat penetration is an even stupider idea though. The only people that build Flat Penetration are Assassins, and guess who tends to be pushing the tower due to an absent/dead laner anyway?

Mandang05/30/2016, 4:20:56 PM1 votes

Heaven forbid AP champs ever be decent at taking towers...

DREADN0UGHT5/30/2016, 7:12:33 PM1 votes

Explains the shity Korean Lucian build.

RocketRelm5/30/2016, 7:39:35 PM1 votes

Didn't boards whine and complain and protest just a few patches ago about "PLZ GIBE TOWERS RESISTS". I do agree with the whole concepts of towers having incredibly high HP but no resists, but man do boards feel inconsistent.

RogueWill5/31/2016, 12:56:35 PM1 votes

Funny thing. A few patches ago Sejuani W Flail of the Northern Winds was applying all the damage over time damage due to this interaction with Armor and Magic Pen

69469238DEL15/29/2016, 9:49:13 PM1 votes

Wait, are you telling me that my E on Master Yi can deal exta damage to turrets? WOOOO

A Basic Island6/1/2016, 12:29:11 AM1 votes

am i missing something

turrets have always had 200 armor/mr when minions are around

ChaosThief5/29/2016, 10:37:08 PM1 votes

Well... I guess having 19 flat armor pen on runes help...

So do I just stack all the flat armor pen items for maximum turret hunting?

SnowFall5/30/2016, 9:09:29 AM1 votes

item 3142 now truly the turret destroyer item

Only Play Darius5/30/2016, 1:48:50 PM1 votes

How about they buff turrets and allow BC to work on them

Verdade5/30/2016, 3:39:19 PM1 votes

Also greedy supports use hp seals instead of armor, making flat pen even better