Like there are so many useful and creative ways to use skillshots that you simply can't do with targeted spells. Check bushes, hit invisible champions, lead targets, zone areas, not to mention how a large chunk of them have longer ranges than targeted skills. I people overestimate how much of a disadvantage a skillshot is. Targeted spells may have reliability, but skillshots have versatility and usually range.
I would agree, but the average person has the aim as a stormtrooper.
I agree on Check Bushes, Hit Invisible Champions, and Range. Leading Targets is you attempting to compensate for it not automatically hitting targets, and Zoning is 50/50 (you tend to mind your distance from champions with point and click damage if you can help it).
There are benefits, but the power of reliability is incredibly strong. Imagine if xerath's fully charged Q was guaranteed to hit every time.
Skillshots are also compensated with more power and more range compared to their targetted counterparts.
I sometimes find it easier to hit skillshots than auto attacking. Being able to just cast a spell in the direction of the enemy rather than clicking directly on them gives a significant advantage in close fights.
Then you fight against a Kalista and I really start to appreciate auto attacks and targeted abilities, although even clicking on Kalista can be a challenge sometimes.
Skillshots aren't a disadvantage, they just aren't as reliable as targeted spells. You could consider this a disadvantage, but it's really just a property.
my favorite thing about skillshots is that you can hit someone with a spell as they leave stasis or untargetability, which you can't do with a targeted spell.
Well, I can see your point, it's not like it's disbalanced (well... overall.) The only problem I can think of, is how non-skillshot champions, when they get put in the right situation, mean the mechanic of 'dodging' becomes unavailable which is really frustrating. You don't feel like there was anything you could do, or more importantly anything you can do for the next trade. Whereas if a Thresh hook hits you, you feel like you are to blame.
Lets compare a Syndra Ult to a Fizz Ult.
Syndra Ult you're dead.
Fizz Ult your Flash is on CD.
Although I agree with you, they are not better in some scenarios. For example, Warwick having a skillshot Ult. There are probably more scenarios, but I can't think of any atm.
This is unrelated, but I like your username.
Its nice but not comparable to the power of reliability. Skillshots can also be forced to miss by flash.
Yes, you are the ONLY one who thinks this. It is not common knowledge at all that skillshots have tradeoffs, and all skillshot reliant champions are all garbage tier because they get no benefits.
Its a shame tho that reliability is always better ....
Skill shots are outplayable compared to targetted abilities. You basically lose once you step into range with targetted ability champs.
Since skill shots have a faliure scenario, they are allowed to have greater success scenarios, be that more damage, cc, etc.
My problem is that, at it's core, skillshots are RNG. Hitting skillshots relies on you to prediction your opponent's movements, and predictions, no matter how good, are still educated guesses. There's always the possibility of it fucking up due to no fault of your own, and that feels extremely unhealthy in MOBAs, where every little lead matters.
When they made Ryze's Q a skillshot, the first thing I thought was "so he can finally hit something he doesn't have vision of, nice!"
I like skillshot champions because they also give you the ability to to predict where someone's going or force them to burn flash or have to take a small amount of extra Time to dodge try to dodge it, the time that good be enough to get them caught by your team. Not my favorite kind of Champs but they do feel rewarding in the matches that you can land all your skill shots perfectly.
yes. That's why there're word "Pro and Con"
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Like there are so many useful and creative ways to use skillshots that you simply can't do with targeted spells. Check bushes, hit invisible champions, lead targets, zone areas, not to mention how a large chunk of them have longer ranges than targeted skills. I people overestimate how much of a disadvantage a skillshot is. Targeted spells may have reliability, but skillshots have versatility and usually range.
yeah skill shots are awesome. targetted spells can be good too of course xD
Tell that to the people who say there's no disadvantage to ADC AAs.
I wish I could see a stat that showed me how many of my attempted skillshots I missed and give me an accuracy %. Would be interesting to see how bad I really am.
It may seem to have no trade offs, especially when fighting an immobile champion. However the range doesn't matter if it's a champion like Kalista, Vayne, Lucian, Yasuo, etc. It doesn't matter what range you have if you can't hit the hyper mobile target. Only Blitzcrank, other hook champions, and Nidalee breaks this rule due to how punishing it is to get hit by their skill shots. Most skill shots can be walked off if the target keeps dodging them. However the very threatening ones puts a lot of pressure on the mobile champion and usually results in death.
