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"SUPPORTS ARE ONLY STRONG BECAUSE OF THE META!"

ZILLAGULA·3/28/2017, 8:13:58 AM·9 votes·1,160 views

Just fuck off, that's not why they're strong, fact is Janna and Lulu have MINIMAL counterplay.

Enchanters are objectively too strong right now, even after this "assassin/mage meta" that doesn't even exist is over, you'll realize. You're obviously just trying to circlejerk around the meta instead of actually realizing the indirect impact a support like has on the game. Just wait until they add the "Damage shielded/healed" and people will finally realize how BROKEN these champions are.

Why would you EVER, EVER pick a in the current meta to cancel out assassins when does the EXACT same thing but with point and click abilities?

There's absolutely 0 counterplay to shields compared to heals. And don't give me the "Janna isn't oppressive to play against, that makes her fair right?" No it doesn't. She is literally cancelling out any play you try to make. And she has been doing that at a 53% winrate for 5 seasons now.

"W0w Support items are only strong cuz meta!" Not like has been a MUST have ever since it came out.

Also, don't even get me started on why I think Windspeaker's is complete bullshit and way too strong at the moment, especially with items such as redemption and locket that will also increase your allies armor and magic resist (yes, because increasing your heal and shield power wasn't enough).

So STOP protecting supports. They're already being treated differently than the other roles in this game.

TL;DR Because support indirectly makes a huge impact on the game, they're not classified as op.

28 Comments

Jeanne fan club3/28/2017, 9:37:26 AM2 votes

If you gut the utility of supports then what do they have? They do no damage (the supports we are talking about at least), so if their only usefulness is nerfed, then whats the point of playing a no damage support instead of a mage in the botlane? Only recently when the LCS started playing these enchanters has the focus been directed away from mages in the botlane, and I'm pretty sure everyone keeps complaining about mages in the botlane.

The thing that a support like thresh has over enchanters is a little thing called "pick potential", or "engage" if that's how you want to play. You can't make aggressive plays with janna or lulu unless you count walking up and pressing W as an aggressive play, thresh however can easily make aggressive plays with his q and E. Champion heirarchies do not exist between champions of different kits or playstyles. You cant compare a Janna to a or blitzcrank thresh easily, but you can compare a janna and a lulu because they have similar roles. There are many subclasses of support, so comparing a champion of one subclass to another is silly.

You seem super mad about this too, I think you should take a step back and stop letting your emotions cloud your judgement on the issue. Redemption is not a MUST HAVE on supports right now, I play support in about 50% of my games and never have I built that this season, and I still do fine. I prefer ardent censor instead, its much more impact full giving your team 30 flat damage and lifesteal. in my opinion, also I'm selfish and I like the AP. It works super good on Taric in fact, but thats because I play ROA Ardent censor Taric.

There is counterplay to heals, its called executioners calling and I wish that my teammates would acknowledge its existence. Also, morrelo is a meta item for mages, though its not as good as execalling when it comes to grievous wounds, its still there.

You may think that an enchanter is overbearing when you are on the losing team, but what about when that enchanter's team is losing? They are completely useless, and unable to protect their teammates. What difference does a janna matter when her team is too far behind to stand their ground. Sure she can slow the bleed a little bit by maybe stoping a dive from killing her whole team, but in the end, she isn't winning anyone the game, she can only give the tools to help her team win the game.

Raoul3/28/2017, 10:56:03 AM2 votes

You guys just cant deal with SUpporters actually being worth a full champion in the game do you?

Let me guess, you want to go back to the time where supports were just ward bitches and Stun machines, right?

Ahristocats3/28/2017, 9:04:10 AM2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tejs Forfang,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FNvIBB8X,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-03-28T08:13:58.001+0000)

have MINIMAL counterplay.

instant undodgeable 1000 range AOE knock back+heal Janna

i grew too tired honestly, too tired of trying to make people realise that someone with 42% ban rate and 30% pick rate isn't fine

next time meddler makes a thread about balance, let's see his reaction to those statistic considering that he always nerfed permabanned/picked champs

[{quoted}](name=Tejs Forfang,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FNvIBB8X,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-03-28T08:13:58.001+0000)

Why would you EVER, EVER pick a in the current meta to cancel out assassins

i would to be fair, thresh is my main played support since i can't play Sona in master he's not as good as janna or lulu

But Thresh is unique by the fact that he can reposition allies after a delay (unless the ally has a korean reflex picking the lantern 0.3 sec after you put it) this makes him an insane pick against AOE champions like Zyra (she uses E+R on your adc, you put the lantern and the adc leaves the R area) list of what he can counter: Kennen JarvanIV Cassiopeia Olaf Velkoz

FOHG Loggy3/28/2017, 8:49:33 AM2 votes

Supports SHOULD be strong, and each team has one so It's not a problem

sobi9993/28/2017, 9:22:20 AM2 votes

I am so sorry you got outplayed by a support.

Athenes Lulu3/28/2017, 8:26:36 AM1 votes

Or even better!

~~Lulu~~ They can also 1v2 trade your early on for free and auto-scale into a shieldbot that you can't really do anything against them other than hoping that they're bad, and get caught into a wombo-combo or something.

Not that you need to think when all you do is just hover your mouse over your carries and click E on them, and did I say you get rewarded too?

Lots of interaction. Lots of thought. Lots of reward. How fun xD!

Dominick Destine3/28/2017, 1:40:19 PM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tejs Forfang,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FNvIBB8X,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-03-28T08:13:58.001+0000)

Enchanters are objectively too strong right now

Ahh that takes me back...

"You begin casting Rapture" [Target] swoons in raptured bliss. "You begin casting Tashanian" [Target] glances nervously about.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=1692

-1000 resist adjust; Ahahahaha, get fucked, every class other than me, TROLOLOLOL. Vallon Zek belongs to Enchanters.

Also, don't even get me started on why I think Windspeaker's is complete bullshit and way too strong at the moment

Windspeaker's Blessing? too strong?

Your arguments could be summed up as "Waaah support needs to suck again", but that bit with Windspeaker pushes it into "ROIT DESUTUROY SUPPOTO PLSSSS!!@!"

Heroquet3/28/2017, 9:01:20 AM1 votes

If you hate shields, don't play all-in champs, go into poke-based ones.

Janna can't do shit against Xerath and co.

BLACK REALM GOD3/28/2017, 9:08:57 AM1 votes

supports have unnoticed play presence. it's not that they have no counter-play because they do. the support champions kit is literally set up to not be as strong as the rest of the roles because their abilities are some of the strongest in the game.

most support champions make it so that effectively when you're fighting them and their lane opponent even if the support removes themselves from the front lines they're still part of the fight.

things like auras and immobilization do very little on their on, but can turn the tide of battle when used in tandem with another allies raw stats.

a single HP potion or biscuit used to be the difference between a double and a death. soraka is the equivalent of 3 biscuits and scales from there onward based on ap.

lulu is the equivalent of item 3053 item 3800 item 3085 item 3462 summoner 3

janna is the equivalent of a maw passive every 10-20 seconds.

the list goes on and on, but some of their kits are a bit overloaded. lulu has always had an overloaded kit, but to be fair she's not the only one and it's not just supports.

a lot of the problems on lulu's kit involve her fairy's interactions with the masteries and items because it allows her to stack certain keystones and certain items onto her opponent without much effort.

item 3151 item 3285 item 3165 item 3116 item 3087 item 3071 item 3091 item 3050 item 3025 item 3098 item 3123

Starcraft243ver3/28/2017, 11:47:44 AM1 votes

Because support indirectly makes a huge impact on the game

And that's cool.

Naomi CoffeeGoat3/28/2017, 1:36:31 PM1 votes

Well I mean this IS a meta they are OP in. All the damage in the game from just about every source, some assassins 100-0ing carries without a chance to fight back STILL even after the assassin update. It makes sense why enchanters like Lulu and Janna are gonna do good. Janna is always good though for seasons. These two just counter assassins really hard and it's only a matter of time before we get heavy nerfs before we go back to mage supports being the kings of botlane and blowing up your carries. These two champs are hilariously good at cancelling out dives and ruining an assassin's day. I'm fine with them the way they are now if damage is going to continue to be so high.