Gold funneling should be removed from Twisted Treeline

murchalvias·6/19/2019, 7:48:56 AM·56 votes·22,810 views

I have no clue if this post will ever be seen by anyone with power to affect things, but I have to try.

So, me and my friends have reached our "peak" in League. I'm diamond 1 and very close to reaching master, but the game isn't fun to play at that level anymore. It feels more like a job than a hobby, and while I will squeeze my way to master, I've already decided that it'll be my final goal. Regardless, it's not fun anymore, it's just super tryhard as you have to be aware of junglers and wards and cooldowns and everything.

Twisted Treeline changed this for us. It keeps the mechanical and teamwork aspect of League just fine, but it's much less... Stressy. No need to fight for the vision and track the jungler perfectly, and there are only three guys whose cooldowns you need to remember and who you need to be aware of. It's also much easier to gather three friends to play with than five, so it's easier to just go "chill play" with your friends.

We've had insanely much fun for the past few weeks (months?), and have climbed to diamond during this time. Especially now that it's gotten more competitive in diamond, it's just insanely fun to play around the three of you and have those 3v3 and 2v2 mechanical skirmish battles all the time. I've literally never had this much fun playing League, and it's almost become a part of our daily routine.

But then we faced funneling. No more fighting, no more mechanics, no more teamfights. Just afk farming for 20 minutes after which a super farmed Olaf deletes all of us while unable to be CC'd or killed (thanks Taric). There's no real interaction, we've figured that the best way to defeat them is to fight them early 3v3 in their own jungle and "snowball" the game before they scale. But this goes back to the original point: it's not fun anymore.

Funneling was removed from 5v5 in a matter of weeks, how can it still be an issue in 3v3 after months or even years? I understand that Twisted Treeline is not Riot's priority, but I'm not asking for a full rework, just fix the funneling and it'll be fun again.

41 Comments

King Manatee6/19/2019, 6:53:39 PM13 votes

Hi, it's always nice to see a thread concerning 3v3, so thanks for writing it. This is something that's been complained about for quite a long time. I played a lot of 3v3 last year (I mostly played Rift if friends asked me, and was primarily on TT because it was more fun for me). Sadly, the mode has a lot more issues than just the funneling meta.

  • Lack of attention from RIOT in general, which funneling is a product of, but also in terms of promoting the game mode, events related to it, lore etc;
  • Many missions not being for TT or being a lot more demanding to complete compared to Rift or ARAM;
  • Mastery Tokens for lv6-7 Mastery being unavailable to earn in this mode;
  • Matchmaking being completely messed up. I was "mid-ELO" last season, staying around D5-D4, and I'd often get matched against Silver/Gold players, but also Master/Challenger duos/trios. Not only are both outcomes unfun, there are repercussions such as gaining less LP in the first situation or losing a promo match against the latter still counting as a regular match.

Although "few" of these things are actually glaring issues, it still goes to show RIOT completely abandoned this game mode from every aspect, not just balance-wise.

Didn't mean to hijack your thread and use it to promote my views on the game mode, but I think this is something most people playing this mode can agree with. A high-challenger player wrote a big thread showcasing these issues and suggesting changes (same guy who wrote the thread listing all 100+ Morde bugs) some time ago, yet nothing has been done.

It's sad to say, but I feel like TT is not here to stay for good. With a -most likely- decreasing playerbase and probably decreased growth of new players in there, alongside RIOT's primary focus being Rift/ARAM (removing Dominion, Nexus blitz, most RGMs), I feel like it's only a matter of time until TT becomes "that cool 3v3 mode some peeps played but was abandoned and removed".

Konacchi6/19/2019, 9:57:57 AM11 votes

Hello murchalvias!

First things first, it's nice to hear you've gotten into 3v3. I absolutly agree, it's fun in many ways, and you can have a different experince compared to 5v5.

But there is a common misconception of people thinking 3v3 is an "easy way" to achieve high ranks. While there might be points that are easier, like having overview over a smaller map and less people (and a very messy low elo), the high elo is still very competitive and people are trying their best to get the most out of their comps.

It's the same with 3v3 as in 5v5; people are willing to spend time and motivation to achieve high ranks. Honestly, if you want to go for a "chill play", playing ladder in a competitive game as big as League will probably disappoint you at some point, even with your level of skill.

In 3v3 you will face a different meta than in 5v5. Of course, it's an other map, after all. And the gap between low elo and high elo is way larger than it is in 5v5. You've reached the point where you have to play around stragies, not only yours but also those of your foes. Even if the meta would change, it wouldn't change the fact that you need to put in effort to reach higher goals. It is possible to continue with a jungle setup, but it's more difficult to adapt and success.

3v3 is generally a very fast paced and dynamic mode. AFK-farming with hyper for twenty minutes? That wont do, most of my games doesn't even last this long. You need to force fights and snowball as much as possible, efficiency is very important.

You can find a brief description of the different meta setups here: https://www.doubledorans.com/Tierlist You should also check out http://3v3.gg

I hope you can still enjoy your games in the Twisted Treeline!

Kejorn6/19/2019, 5:14:55 PM7 votes

Oh boy. Another first time 3s player complaining about support meta and getting hundreds of upvotes because more people that dont have even the slightest idea what they're talking about, with not even the slightest idea how to play the map chiming in like they've played more than 10 games in their lives. Laughable actually.

I suppose you people want to change the rules of soccer right? Because not using your hands is lame and boring right?

He literally contradicts himself right off the bat. Why bother with the post? "Then we found support meta (stop fucking calling it funnel meta you 5s player. Never was funnel meta. Never is funnel meta. Hyper meta or support meta, take your pick. The fact that you even say funnel meta shows you're not a 3s player. You're a 5s player. So don't come to our map like some imperialist and try to make it like the one you LITERALLY just said is boring and taxing on the brain to play.) Where people just farm and blah blah blah can't win cuz I'm bad and then we had to start playing aggressive and forcing early fights" Oh you mean just like how you claimed you enjoyed playing 3v3?? With early skirmishes and brawling to snowball the gane at 3 minutes?

WOW who knew NOT letting Olaf Taric (which you're fucking braindead if you let the enemy draft those champions in the current meta anyway) farm for 20 minutes and roll your whole team over means you actually win the game?!?!

He literally answered his own issue with the map. BE AGGRESSIVE. MAKE EARLY PLAYS. You don't fucking go into summoners rift seeing a kogmaw, yi, kayle, lulu comp and be like "yeah I'll just farm for a bit and see how this plays out" NO you invade, you kill them, you snowball, you deny farm. ITS NOT HARD.

There is NO SAFETY NET in 3v3. No wards means CONSTANT pressure when you're off the map. The constant possibility lurking in their mind that a random poppy brand can be sitting in the bush in front of me at any possible moment and I just get deleted from the game.

Make them terrified to walk into their own jungle. Crush the spirit out of them and end the game in <15 minutes.

Its not hard. You just have to not be a dumbass thinking that your poppy darius comp is gonna do jackshit into an olaf taric when you let him get warrior, cleaver and steraks for free.

Its really not difficult. Stop trying to remove the one thing that actually makes 3v3 unique, the fact that two metas are completely viable ways to win the game.

I've been playing support meta for years in mid-high challenger in NA. Me and my trio still regularly get our asses completely handed to us by the top teams REGARDLESS OF WHICH META THEY PLAY.

Rift will NEVER be as much of an outlet for mechanical skill to shine like 3v3 because it's too forgiving. Catchup xp and comeback bounties and shit. You dont get that in 3s because you will never farm if your opponent is better than you. You will get outskilled and massacred because the better bot will land and dodge more skillshots, he will get more pressure and roam top, forcing the enemy under tower and out of their jungle, grab alter to deny movement speed and run you the fuck down if you try to do anything about it.

The map is merciless and you will get your ass handed to you if you're not the better player.

So get good or shut up. Learn to play against the meta. Don't cry that it exists and you're unwilling to get better because it's "mentally taxing" and don't act like all the people that played one game against support meta and instantly stopped playing the map have any idea what in the world they're talking about. They're gonna upvote and screech about anything that says remove twisted treeline or remove support meta and get a raging boner when they do cuz it's just a circle jerk of garbage players that have no clue how to improve or learn and would rather just cry.

Oh and btw, no need to stroke your ego putting your solo queue rank in the post like it has any meaning. Different map, different skillset, different ranking. Solo queue gold players are some of the most threatening 3s players I've ever played against in high challenger. Skills do not transfer over. Shit stomping solo queue challengers in 3v3 is easily the most gratifying experience because their ego is too fat to realize it's a completely different skillset. Your zed one trick in challenger solo queue is getting no where in 3v3. Surprised if you escape platinum. So stop acting like it gives your post any validity or merit because you're a high ranking in the map you literally just said you're sick of and don't want to play.

Trias0006/19/2019, 8:28:21 PM4 votes

The fix would be super easy - just remove support items. They aren't needed anyway as there's 2 lanes and jungle so everyone can farm.

SiG DxD6/19/2019, 1:46:48 PM4 votes

true ,this has and still does dominate TTL for several years bruiser or even adc + support was and still is overpowered due to how much farm and exp one "carry" gets

FSRER6/19/2019, 4:36:41 PM3 votes

I don't understand how people can go into 3v3 just to farm all day. Isn't that boring? If you are Nasus and you want to stack alright, I understand but how can with any other champions just sit back and cowering until you have 3 items? How..how are people having fun with that?

Better Nerf Adc6/20/2019, 5:00:21 AM2 votes

GIVE THAT GUY A MEDAL !! RIOT UPDATE 3v3 PLS ITS WAY TO FUN TO PLAY IT FOR ALL THE REASONS HE SAID, LEGIT

FrozenDeath146/20/2019, 9:25:48 AM2 votes

I remember playign Twisted a while ago when they allowed ranked rewards in it. I quickly hit diamond there and then i just stopped because every game was funneling. It is litterally imposible to play treeline above diamond without funneling... shame really.

Saezio6/19/2019, 6:18:04 PM2 votes

Or, simply remove twisted treeline ranked queue. Then none will care about it because they didn't really like the mode, but they liked having fake ranks.

5kcheesesticks6/20/2019, 7:31:52 AM2 votes

Am i the only one who doesn't know what the meaning of funneling is lol.

Anyone care to explain?

FioraWillCarry10/17/2019, 6:35:39 PM1 votes

Gold funneling should be removed from Twisted Treeline

Twisted Treeline itself is going to be removed.

bZfTernence6/19/2019, 7:10:45 PM1 votes

Cmon you are in plat 3v3 so it doesnt matter anyway, you dont even need to funnel in plat in order to win so why does it matter? Just let 3vs3 like it is because you doesnt play it anyway... wow 20 games!

Ryze on Roids6/19/2019, 9:18:40 PM1 votes

how about we just remove twisted treeline lmao

Z3Sleeper6/20/2019, 11:16:25 AM1 votes

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Funneling was removed from 5v5 in a matter of weeks, how can it still be an issue in 3v3 after months or even years? I understand that Twisted Treeline is not Riot's priority, but I'm not asking for a full rework, just fix the funneling and it'll be fun again.

Except it wasn't, Taric + Yi funneling still exists even in Challenger games.

Riot can't seem to figure out how to kill it and it absolutely ruins the experience. I can see why it'd be 10x more prevalent in TT though.

Just so you know, the same funneling rules apply to TT that apply to SR, they applied the same "fix" to both game modes (monster hunter) but it didn't fix anything in either of them.

Madsin256/20/2019, 3:18:00 PM1 votes

Gold funneling was nerfed on TT alongside the nerf to gold funneling on SR.

It was amazing for a couple months until they actually reverted the nerf for no reason at all.

Lovelle6/20/2019, 9:45:14 PM1 votes

I wish they would kill funneling as well, but some people seem to want it to stay, for reasons that escape me.