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Draven Late game DPS

1Guy1Cell··14 votes·11,256 views

I have a question about draven, People say that he falls off late game, As a Draven main I believe this is false, When draven has 2 axes up and is spamming w in teamfights, with 85% ad bonus per axe and w how does this make him fall off? this seems to make him the highest dps adc in the game if he can keep up his steroids

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BluePolarizer31 votes

His damage doesn't fall off, his safety does.

JevelFaithful2 votes

This. He has the same "problem" leblanc had. They don't fall off, their prefered playstyle is just harder to pull off or less powerfull. That was untill assassins became the norm lategame.

Sailor Mint14 votes

His damage is really good but catching axes is not ideal in chaotic team fights. Compared to many other ADCs, he's very hard to play effectively lategame and is much better if you can stick to smaller skirmishes.

ZeeDrakon6 votes

who the hell says draven would fall off late WTF

junglerboy166 votes

There is a difference between people saying "Draven falls off late game" and "Draven's damage falls off late game". Usually people use them to mean the same thing because the standard "falls off late game" guy, Lee sin, falls off because his damage scales poorly (thus falling off is most commonly in reference to damage). Falling off just means he becomes less effective after a certain point in the game, but could be for any number of reasons; i.e. lack of damage, lack of range, lack of ability scaling, lack of safety, lack of items, etc.

Draven does fall off late game, because he is a fairly immobile, short ranged ADC, whose main damage requires him to walk into very obvious targeting icons that are basically a big fat "hook me right here!" signs. His damage is extremely high, but so are champs like Kog, Vayne, or Jinx, each of which are much safer end game because they have either stupidly long range or really high mobility on top of their high damage. If you're good with Draven, yeah, you won't fall off as hard late game because you can use him better, but in comparison to most other high damage threat champs he falls off.

Cindikle1 votes

Lee's damage doesn't really fall off. But he's a champion that great a dueling and making picks. Picks and dueling are harder to pull of when everyone is grouped.

Draven's range is the same as most ADC's, 550. His E also has a good bit of range on it as well.

ItsStout1 votes

Lee dies if he builds damage, so his damage does fall off.

Cindikle1 votes

His scaling is high enough that he can get away with only one or two damage item. One usually being his jungle item. Top it off his base damages are also very good.

Even late game his damage remains a threat. It's just easier to handle him as a team.

Flawless Fetus2 votes

but lee's dmg scales really well.

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

If you can keep your axes up, which isn't always the easiest in teamfights later in the game. You axes kinda telegraph where you want to walk, which leaves you vulnerable to CC and skillshots if you try to catch it. He can work and his DPS is very high when played well, but it can be pretty risky.

Big Nasty Mèat2 votes

Man, OP really did a great of disproving something nobody has ever said.

Judge Arcadia1 votes

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Man, OP really did a great of disproving something nobody has ever said.

Ive actually had people say this to me. I laughed at them, told them they were an idiot, and muted them.

SwordGrunt2 votes

He doesn't fall off, he has the highest damage output of any ADC in this game, the problem is being able to play him late game

NoMonku2 votes

He falls off because he is weaker compared to other ADC's lategame. Jinx/Kog/Twitch all have super range where they can open up that he has NO way of retaliating against. The champions are also easier to play because Draven is forced to catch axes to deal DPS, which makes his movements predictable allowing good players/teams to pounce on him or he will have to sacrifice damage.

Hrms, a better way to put it is his damage doesn't fall off, but more so his ability to put out his damage becomes more difficult, which is why he falls off.

Knight SoIaire 4 votes

its just like darius falls off because he isnt so good at teamfights ?

sorry man but thats not falling off

draven doesnt fall off, he just isnt as safe since his axes can make him misposition himself

besides that he has one of the best lategames among adc's if not the best

Vellich0r3 votes

that's just the thing though. That IS falling off. A huge part of being strong late game is safety, it's the reason why melee champs tend to be considered bad in the late game. For instance Shaco, he has some of the highest damage in the game during the late game. With the ability to deal almost 200% of his damage every auto (100% from himself, 75% added from his clone, and another 20% from his passive), a guaranteed crit every 11 seconds without CDR that deals up to 220% normal damage without even including the additional 20% damage from his passive, a 1.0 AD ratio point and click nuke, a 600 damage nuke on the death of his clone, and a box that deals 855 damage over 5 seconds without any AP or AD he technically out-damages 98% of the champion pool; however, he is still considered a heavily early game champion who falls off in the late game. This is for two major reasons: lack of safety, and lack of reliability for his damage. These same things apply to draven, though his damage potential is through the roof, it is unsafe as the axes can put him into awful positions if he wants to maintain his DPS and it is unreliable as dropping an axe can reduce his DPS by more than half as he loses the Attack speed steroid reset and the damage from his axe.

TL;DR Having high potential damage does not equal being strong late game.

Knight SoIaire 2 votes

that's just the thing though. That IS falling off.

for me falling off means that your numbers get worse compared to others champions, its not how your kit fits the late game

thats my point

draven does not fall off, but his kit certainly forces a risky playstyle on him that can get even riskier late game

TL;DR Having high potential damage does not equal being strong late game.

but having less damage than others in late game equals to falling off

thats how i see things, in my opinion neither draven nor shaco fall of you see falling off as lack of the capability to compete into late game fights, i see it as lack of numbers to back your late game up

terkmc2 votes

Good luck catching those axes consistently in teamfight thou. Your entire damage source relies on a spell that have a "Throw cc over here for a free kill" indicator. Sure 1v1 you will be throwing out tactical nuke and catching em, but in teamfight the moment you tries to catch it you will be dumpstered by everything

Sirsir1 votes

I haven't heard anyone say he falls off. I've heard 'Shut Down,' but never 'Falls Off'

He 'Falls Off' because immobile ADCs are easy to gib. And if you can CC him, even without follow up damage, his output is reduced until his axes are back up.

TotalJerk1 votes

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When draven has 2 axes up and is spamming w in teamfights

If Draven is successfully catching axes during a teamfight, his opponents are bad. Against competent opponents you'll end up being forced to basic attack for most of the fights.

MaeDoSan1 votes

U dont knw how to draven

Lyee420Watson 1 votes

When someone playing Draven and he know well manipulate with his axes, nobody simply can't ruin his attacks.

1Guy1Cell1 votes

Well if good draven players can manipulate axes to land in the area in which they want, would this make him an effective hyper carry? With all those steroids

Tannhäuser Gate1 votes

I believe he has highest dps besides twitch with ult on and maybe jinx if she can hit multiple people with her rockets if he can catch axes come late game

PerishSoftly1 votes

AD Malz might be higher on paper. :D

SpaghettiTime1 votes

If you're letting the enemy team get to late game as Draven, something went more wrong than worrying about juggling axes.

ThePlasticSpork1 votes

The key phrase here is "if he can keep up his steroids". It's relatively simply to maintain his high end DPS in small skirmishes. It's a whole different ballgame when you have to account for 3 or 4 people trying to jump you while you catch axes.

Cindikle1 votes

As everyone else said, his damage isn't the problem. The problem is that what makes him so strong is easily dealt with in a teamfight.

Also remember that no ADC truly falls off late game. They all will always deal high damage late game. But what makes a champion strong at early/mid/late game is different.

Caitlyn for example is good early and decent mid/late. But she's probably still better than Draven late game because of her safety. While Draven has an equally strong early game and a much stronger mid game. But both will still eat you alive late game. Draven's just easier to stop.

AbstracT Theory1 votes

Rammus item 3075 Ok.

Aozora1 votes

It's not that his damage falls off, it's just that he's not safe at all lategame. By lategame everyone is grouped and getting picks isn't all too unlikely unless you're like Annie roaming over to where the enemy carry is clearing a pushed wave, but even then they have someone around. Draven's damage relies on him catching those axes and not only is it hard to do that in teamfights, but it also let's the other 9 players in the game know exactly where you're gonna go so that leaves you really open to skillshot cc like an Ahri charm.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

His damage is the highest of any ADCs, the damage is kind of broken on top of his really reliable crowd control and movement steroid though.

1Guy1Cell1 votes

Games last until late game is because most of the time the scores are even and one team or the other is unable to siege effectively, which causes games to last long

ItsStout1 votes

The thing is, even if you would destroy their ADC or Mage, you've already died.

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