Am I the only one who think that the current play pattern of Nida is too binary?

Mephistophilis·5/21/2015, 12:19:16 PM·18 votes·2,016 views

Before I say my opinion: I don't play her so I'm not an expert, what I say is just based on my impression. The hunt mechanic is really cool and fun on paper, but every time I see a Nidalee, almost everything she does is based on land a Q and then jump in for the nuke. Nida is so complex and fun, but right now it seems that her gameplay is based too much on land/dodge a skillshot. And that's a bit boring for a hunter-shapeshifter. Am I the only one who thinks this way or I've just seen unskilled/unimaginative Nidalees?

36 Comments

Bern5/21/2015, 12:40:16 PM9 votes

That's a lot less binary than what AP Nid was before, which was literally just [throw spear]xN. There wasn't even "jump in for the nuke."

Narasimha5/21/2015, 2:48:01 PM5 votes

That's... not binary, that's a combo. That's like saying Cho'gath is binary because he always follows up Q with E.

Binary doesn't meant "usually almost always". Binary, in this context, means "has no choice but to do". This is why characters like WW and Akali are called binary. Because they don't have any other options than what they do.

brad5/21/2015, 3:17:58 PM3 votes

do you know what the word "binary" means or are you just using it because riot used it

idk about anyone else but i fucking hate the shitty buzzwords that riot comes up with

MrBuffington5/21/2015, 3:35:40 PM2 votes

Yea, it's a bit like "poke until you can all-in", sort of like Jayce or Elise, maybe Gnar to a degree, but Nidalee has a bit less flexibility because she pretty much only offers damage (and the heal, but that's not terribly interesting as far as gameplay; traps aren't too combat focused anymore, especially since they gutted the damage). The rework was meant to bring more interplay between her forms, which it certainly did, but often times it feels like her human form is more about setting up her cougar form, which basically just functions as an execute.

Part of this is due to her being a form-change champion, and therefore her spells are individually weaker than others (or, in Nidalee's case, her spells are heavily weighted on one side at the expense of other spells), and also her thematically being a champion that lacks CC (at least that's what Riot told me when they reworked her), but I do think they could make some of her spells more interesting/dynamic, or at least more useful on their own.

She does have a lot of interesting gameplay in the right circumstances, but her basic play pattern is, well, pretty basic (proc hunt passive -> cougar form combo; AP Nid can/needs to poke more or wait for a good opening). I still have fun playing her, she's my favorite champion, but I don't play her much since I feel like she's pretty situational in mid lane and I think jungle Nidalee is stupid.

EDIT: I think another major factor in her feeling binary is how linear her play pattern is; her skillshot is linear, her dash becomes targeted on hunted targets; her combo more or less falls on the same line. She still has some of the dynamics that I enjoy, in having to use her pounce or just good positioning to get proper angles around minion waves, etc to find the right spear to throw, but it feels a bit less now with the way her passive works.

Jasiwel5/21/2015, 5:35:36 PM1 votes

One thing they could do with the spears is gear their damage towards stacking with every consecutive spear hit. The damage would start out relatively mild and end with what it is now. The distance damage increase can stay, but damage starts low and becomes what it is now. Then, at X amount of stacks, it triggers her passive and then she can go in for the kill. If she misses often, then she'll need to be creative.

OperationDEEZ15/21/2015, 6:21:22 PM1 votes

Garen

Beerstein5/21/2015, 6:30:16 PM1 votes

Depends entirely on the player, people that used to use her cougar form still do pretty much the same which is NOT binary, other people do more of what cougar nid play used to do by doing it after landing spears. She's still a way more complex champion than most out there, honestly the whole argument that she's binary is laughable. I guess anything to complain about nid.

ManaPot5/21/2015, 6:54:20 PM1 votes

Hey there avid Nid player here to way in my opinion. As far as binary game play goes, every champion is binary to some degree. Pantheon wants to QWEQ you, Malz wants to spam his abilities and ult you under his pool etc. Basically certain champion have predictable and go to patterns they would like to do ideally. That's not so much binary as much as champions being limited to 4 skills and passive (exceptions do exist of course).

Furthermore Nidalee is one of the few champions that can play every role, and is able to build multiple builds such as AD bruiser or straight AP. This diversity leads to naturally different experiences and game play on its own.

Also before positing about how a champion feels to play please go out there and get some games in! I know it may feel very similar every game against certain champions but playing them really lets you get a better feel for play patterns, and what those players may find very fun!

Abyssphere5/22/2015, 3:44:19 AM1 votes

Eh, I think it's fine. People will latch onto this because "yeah, Nidalee is binary! They've nerfed champs for being binary before, gut her!" but binary just means "lacking in options" really and a lot of the people who say she's binary will also say her kit is really loaded the day later so...

"Land spear and go in" vs "miss spear and stay back" is definitely binary but I don't mind it really. A lot of champions have binary combos but they're only really considered unhealthy if there is nothing to them BUT that combo. Given that Nidalee has useful stuff like free wards and a heal for her allies, I think she's OK in that department. She's not useless if she misses a spear, it's just that she can't assassinate people if she doesn't hit a spear.

jDVL20eCYs5/22/2015, 10:10:51 PM1 votes

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Before I say my opinion: I don't play her so I'm not an expert, what I say is just based on my impression. The hunt mechanic is really cool and fun on paper, but every time I see a Nidalee, almost everything she does is based on land a Q and then jump in for the nuke. Nida is so complex and fun, but right now it seems that her gameplay is based too much on land/dodge a skillshot. And that's a bit boring for a hunter-shapeshifter. Am I the only one who thinks this way or I've just seen unskilled/unimaginative Nidalees?

Oo you have right, Annie do have super complex play style. Kappa

It Hertz When IP5/21/2015, 12:25:45 PM1 votes

Traps can trigger her passive too.

DrNova5/22/2015, 10:40:28 PM1 votes

I dont even see Nid near as much as I used to. Thankfully she doesnt seem to be as popular right now

Linna Excel5/21/2015, 1:48:54 PM1 votes

Am I the only one who thinks this way or I've just seen unskilled/unimaginative Nidalees?

No, I think they wanted her to be a little more binary like Elise is. Which is sad because we already had elise as a binary transformer.

djjomon5/21/2015, 2:51:16 PM1 votes

AP Nidalee, yeah she is binary. Never thought of it, but I think you're right. Riot, a while back, wanted her to be item based. They were hoping AD bruiser and AP Nidalee would be just as good. If one wasn't constantly outshining the other, maybe she wouldn't be so binary

mack91125/21/2015, 5:10:20 PM1 votes

I swear at some point every champion has been stated as binary on this board.